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dpe666
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Posted: Jan 24, 2007 7:44pm
About a year ago Jules Lenier sent me all of his books. I was to take from the the best of the best, and release it in a series titled, "Jules' Gems". The books are finished. Now that he has passed away would it be in bad taste to release them or would it stand as a tribute to the man to release them? 
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Jaz
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Posted: Jan 24, 2007 7:52pm
If his request was to "take from the the best of the best, and release it in a series titled, 'Jules' Gems'" then honor it.
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Andy the cardician
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Posted: Jan 24, 2007 8:00pm
I second Jaz. A request is always important. A book is surely a great tribute . . .
Not sure about the financial side - but if this is on your mind, you might consider donating the income or involve Jules family.
Andy
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Patrick Differ
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Posted: Jan 25, 2007 2:13am
Find out who is responsible for the estate and get them involved. Don't do anything else until you get a better feel from them. If they don't contribute anything novel, or give you any last-minute advice/directions, follow the original plan. Do your best. Good luck.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jan 25, 2007 3:57pm
I agree with Patrick. Gene Poinc sent something like 10 years of columns into the Linking Ring right before he passed away, knowing that he would be unlikely to see more than a few of them, at most, published. Phil Willmarth is honoring that agreement. I know that Gene left a few of his illustrations to a friend, but I don't think he had any relatives.
If Jules' estate will allow you to publish this material, by all means, do it. You would be honoring his memory to do so.
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dampdeck
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Posted: Apr 1, 2007 2:07am
It would be a shame to let it go to waste... unread and unappreciated
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Amade3us
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Posted: Apr 3, 2007 12:11am
I also agree with Patrick. Make sure to get the estate involved. It might get finnicky as far as proceeds are concerned, so best of luck.
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Pebkac
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Posted: Jul 11, 2007 2:09am
Jules never sent the material to you to republish. He gave them to a shop in San Diego to republish. You may have been involved, but the request was not directed to you. It was directed to the shop.
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Psychic Samurai
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Posted: Jul 11, 2007 3:09am
The plot thickens 
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Justin Style
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Posted: Jul 11, 2007 10:15am
This whole business is built by Grave Robers!
Ask Michael Amar what he would do?
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Pebkac
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Posted: Jul 11, 2007 2:27pm
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On 2007-07-11 10:15, Justin Style wrote:
This whole business is built by Grave Robers!
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You bring up two standard arguments in "ethics" within magic.
1. Everyone does it.
2. Famous people do it.
I think I can do no better than to use Max Maven's words in a March 1993 Linking Ring Essay:
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1. "EVERYONE DOES IT"
No they don't.
Certainly many do. But not all. Besides, it's a lousy argument. Your mother knew that when she said, "I suppose if all your friends decided to jump off the roof, that would make it all right for you to do it, too."
2. "WELL, FAMOUS MAGICIANS HAVE DONE IT."
Famous magicians can be jerks.
Trust me on this, there are all sorts of things that famous magicians have done that you do not want to do. Some have even jumped off of roofs.
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That being said, it is not my intention to turn this thread into an ethics argument, and will leave the bulk of that argument to others.
My intent is to point out Mr. Eldridge is not in an appropriate position to publish material other than the fact that he never returned the material to Mr. Lenier when requested, and Mr. Lenier conveniently died, thus stopping requests for material.
If only bill collectors would die so conveniently.
All of this information can be verified with other magicians and members of the Magic Castle close to Jules.
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Whit Haydn
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Posted: Jul 11, 2007 5:11pm
Certainly, a share of profits should go to the estate. Jules has a daughter and other family still living. I would think you should check with Debbie for permission to publish at the very least. Anything else would show a lack of respect.
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Nick-V.
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Posted: Jul 12, 2007 2:47pm
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On 2007-01-25 02:13, Patrick Differ wrote:
follow the original plan. Do your best. Good luck.
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On 2007-01-25 15:57, Bill Palmer wrote:
If Jules' estate will allow you to publish this material, by all means, do it. You would be honoring his memory to do so.
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Absolutely!
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Richard Kaufman
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Posted: Jul 13, 2007 2:50pm
I have a large book from Jules containing 65 routines and effects. It's written in his classic style with lots of anecdotes and connecting narrative. I have a hard time imagining that he gave someone else permission to cherry pick routines from his booklets and publish just those when I have an entire manuscript here that has so much more.
I will be publishing the manuscript as an e-book and giving it away for free to all Genii subscribers.
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Silly Walter the Polar Bear
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 11:05pm
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On 2007-07-13 14:50, Richard Kaufman wrote:
I have a large book from Jules containing 65 routines and effects. It's written in his classic style with lots of anecdotes and connecting narrative. I have a hard time imagining that he gave someone else permission to cherry pick routines from his booklets and publish just those when I have an entire manuscript here that has so much more.
I will be publishing the manuscript as an e-book and giving it away for free to all Genii subscribers.
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I wish you could get a hold of the Jack Birnman book while your at it.
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