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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Girl gets into box. Things are plunged through the box.
How are the things going into/through the box without harming/killing the girl? Then to top off the routine the box is opened and the girl is gone. Ahh mystery solved. She wasn't there when the things were going in the box. This senario happens in loads of illusions. It has never made any sense to me. A penertration effect; fine. A vanish; great. But put the two together and the one removes the mystery from the other. Can someone explain to me what I'm missing? Cheers Neal.
Neal Austin
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I've always wondered stuff like that, and evidently I'm not alone. There was a similar discussion the other day about a modified Zig-Zag illusion where one girl goes in, she's "zagged", and two girls come out. To paraphrase you, "Ahh, mystery solved. o) There were two girls." In my mind, there's just a disconnect here.
Why do folks make coins magically travel from hand to hand? It's much easier to just put them there.
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 08:25, amosmc wrote: As stated in the OTHER thread, if you don't know the routine you can't be a fair judge of this effect. If you don't like it that's fine, don't buy it. I don't judge what I haven't seen. Jack
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Jack,
As you're in the illusion production business I'd be interested on your take re the point I made in my 1st post in this thread? Neal
Neal Austin
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Lusion Special user 590 Posts |
This is something that depends on you and your style, I have 3 differnt illusions that are in 1 set in 3mins
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
The audience watching the show a girl goes in the box and the magician push thru a couple canes and everyone try to figure out where is the place where the girl could hide then they see the girl disappeard. Now they need solve two mysteries instead of one. that's what make more magical the effect. Think with their heads not yours
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 09:32, neal austin wrote: I do see your point of view however I'm on the side of entertainment. If the effect is done well and is entertaining, I don't feel much else is important. I think we as magicians tend to analize everything to death. If the people paying to see it like it; What else remains? Jack
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 10:38, laci200 wrote: no, they still are only wondering where in the box is she hiding? The floor? the sides? maybe it is just me. s |
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 15:13, the Sponge wrote: It is just you. Let me explain. Long time ago I show a couple tricks to my son and asked him do you want to learn? He said no dad I don't want to know how it’s done. Then we went to watch a Copperfield show. After the show he told me how he liked the Portal Illusion. He asked me how he disappeared. How come he was on the beach so quickly? Then how he appeared among the audience? Well really he didn't want to know. It came out from him naturally. They never think deeply about an illusion or even a simple trick. That is how the audience thinking. Best Las |
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Jack, I'm not belittling your illusion. I agree that, as you stated, I don't know the routine so I can't be a fair judge of this effect. I'm sure it's magnificent in the right hands. I just can't "get" it since you can't share the routine with us.
Neal just asked for opinions and I gave him mine, based on a recent post that dealt with a similar topic. I beg your forgiveness if I upset you.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
It's a classic archetype. An effect nearly as old as time itself, death and resurrection. The body killed, the tomb discovered empty, The body returns unharmed
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 16:19, amosmc wrote: Not a problem at all. Like I said above, sometimes "we" analize too much and don't see what the audience sees. Jack
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Lusion Special user 590 Posts |
Jack is SO correct, with my rehearsals I was complaining about a few illusions but my stage mgr and a few people that are not magicians said they were fooled. I've noticed that I have been trying to put together a show to fool my peers (you) instead of the laypeople. Its why we think Impaled is a done deal illusion and when I perform it now people go CRAZy for it!
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Chase New user Arkansas 98 Posts |
It's not just you.
Just because people are fooled doesn't mean that the illusion makes sense, is meaningful, or touches the soul/heart. If an illusion isn't right for you, then don't perform it. And you shouldn't feel pressure to perform a certain type of illusion just because someone else does. I have taken all of the "sawing" illusions out of my stage show because I'm not comfortable with the effect any more. I won't perform one again until I find a presentation that is deceptive and emphasizes the RESTORATION of the assistant. If you have questions about how an audience percieves an illusion or type of illusion... then question it. I hardly think the main problem in magic today is over-analyzation or over-thinking. |
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
I never siad it was the "main" problem.
Jack Murray
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Chase New user Arkansas 98 Posts |
Sorry Mr. Murray. I didn't mean to suggest that you felt it WAS the main problem, only that it ISN"T the main problem.
Incidentally, your fire cages are beautiful pieces of work. Wish I had a need for one. Maybe one day. |
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
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On 2007-02-07 18:11, Chase wrote: Thank you. Too bad, because they're on sale now for $495 OFF list!
Jack Murray
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The Mirror Images Inner circle Michigan/USA 1980 Posts |
That is an awesome deal. Jacks cages go together so fast too. That is magic in itself. Can we count that as an illusion?
Steven and Michael, The Mirror Images
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Jack said,"If the effect is done well and is entertaining, I don't feel much else is important."
To a large extent I find myself agreeing with you Jack but I can't help feel that there's more behind a good illusion show than this implies. It's always hard to know whether or not one is; thinking like a magician, over analysing, not looking from a spectators viewpoint. but I remember as a young child seeing an illusionist do just the sort of effect I described in my opening post. (girl in box; swords through box; girls shown to have vanished) I remember thinking... wow that was fantstic... and I had no idea how the girl had vanished or where she'd gone. But I also remember at the same time instantly realising that that was why the swords could be pushed into the box. Laci200 said "think with their head not yours". Well as a 10 year old boy I was thinking with their head... I was Mr (or master) Joe Public and I knew that although I'd been fooled and had enjoyed the moment of being amazed I had also seen through part of the trick. Did it stop me enjoying the illusion....no. (hence me agreeing somewhat with Jack) Is it a weakness that would be better off being removed from the equation if at all possible .... I think yes. Neal
Neal Austin
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kermitjohnson New user johnson city, tennessee 41 Posts |
I see both sides of the coin. Why almost take away from 1 to do another. Why if we intend to pierce the assistant, vanish her instead. But why levitate the assistant to vanish her instead. Because it adds beauty to the illusion. If she vanishes during the piercing that may or may not explaine where she was. She was gone, but again how and where. Its up to the performer to make the audience wonder. When the silk vanishes its how annd where. It does not change simply due to the size of the effect. Or that's my take on it.
Illusionist Kermit Johnson
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