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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Now that's a brilliant idea!
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Isn´t a packet of cards a beginner´s deck?
For instance if you do not have enough time for a whole poker evening, you just reduced the deck to these few cards...
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
I don't think that any real justification for a packet trick is necessary, regardless of it's positioning. It's the deep-logic fallacy. If whatever you say makes sense at the time you say it, it'll fly.
I am particularly partial to Fman111's gabs, especially these two: Fman111 writes: Quote:
I had time to mark only x cards These are really good because they don't really make sense at all over the long haul, but they sure sound good when said.
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Again, this is not about justification , it is more of a transition idea. Ideas of why you put away a full deck then do a packet trick. In my routine, my first packet trick is hold it buster. It is the second trick in my act. The patter I feel leads in perfectly to why I am doing the trick (often when I perform magic people ask...) and end with " I should have known better because he never played with a full deck" so let's try something with a full deck.
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robinr Loyal user Greater Los Angeles area 226 Posts |
Steve Dusheck got me interested in doing what are essentially packet card tricks with specially designed laminated business cards. Steve has created over a hundred versions of a single packet trick he called the Universal Princess Card Trick. Once I found that there was no limit to the type of pictures I could put on the cards, I came up with dozens of packet tricks, involving changes, transpositions, mental routines, etc. It's a fertile field that hasn't been milked because you have to learn how to design the cards with a software program like PrintMaster (or others of its type). It's addictive and no one can ever say that they've already seen someone else do that trick before.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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I had time to mark only x cards -due to the physics involved, the second law of thermodynamics and Bernoulli''s principle, this can only be done safely with x cards. Any more and there might be a fire. LOL! Now That's the kind of B.S I love to feed 'em!
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
I love that line too, and just an aside, if you like using B.S. lines, you might consider using this one when laymen ask you how you did something.
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
"52 cards can be a bit confusing for some people (raising one eyebrow at a heckler), so I figure it would be best to just use the KISS method so that we may all enjoy this wonderful piece."
"Notice that all the cards are not here. That is because I am trying to trick you into thinking they are. But they aren't, so don't be fooled by what I say." "If we use all the cards here, we would break the Internet. And we can't do that, can we? On second thought, maybe we should. Nah. I'd probably get blamed for doing it again." Read Darwin Ortiz's "Designing Miracles." I did, three times. Because of his book, I now really distrust the word "justification" because it smacks to loudly of his deep-logic fallacy. The magician is just out-thinking himself believing that every little action and transaction requires a justification that will stand the test of time. I have applied and analyzed this concept ever since I read his book and I have found out that deep-logic "justifications" are just not necessary at all. RTFB. I now prefer to structure my patter so as to just construct viable segues between effects. If I go from a packet up to a full deck, I only need a viable segue. If I go from a full deck down to a packet, I just need a decent segue. These segues I have and they are working just fine. And so doing has made my magic a heckuva lot easier to do and enjoy. Notes regarding the "deer in the headlights" look: I learned somewhere that the verb for that is "to tharn". por ejemplo "I said that and it tharned them." Beats the bejeezus out of me where I read that and/or if it is the right word or not. Dictionary.com says that Tharn is the 30th galaxy in the DC Universe. And that is neat in and of itself. It could probably stand well as a real BS segue. :/
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On 2008-03-25 17:57, Larry Davidson wrote: I'm commiting that to memory. Thanks! BTW, I had all the Tannen's catalogs back in the 70's, but I don't remember seeing that. Where exactly did you find it?
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Some other magicians in this area and I started using the line in the 70's when the catalog first came out, but I haven't seen the catalog since that time so I don't recall specifically which one it was.
I vaugely recall that the line was a tongue-in-cheek explanation that the magician could give laymen for how the needle through balloon effect worked, and if you read the line again with that in mind, you'll see that it actually fits there. It's such a bizarre line, though, that I think it's even funnier when the words have nothing to do with an effect that you perform, whether it's a card effect, a coin effect, or any kind of effect. |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Yeah, I admit is pretty darn funny! It's kind of a non sequitur.
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ViciousCycle Loyal user 210 Posts |
"Justification" can start to sound like "alibi" or "excuse." But what is more appropriate is strong scripting. With strong scripting, Dan Harlan can shuffle a packet of *cheese slices* instead of cards, and then go on to use the cheese slices in a strong routine. Without the strong scripting, the trick would look simply... cheesy.
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Agreed. The flow of one routine to the next is important.
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1544 Posts |
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On 2008-05-25 13:56, ViciousCycle wrote: First of all: ViciousCycle, GREAT MUSTACHE AND BEARD!! Mine's more like a 'mini-Herrmann' now...but on to the subject at hand. You should never have to 'justify' a packet trick; you should just write a strong script that allows for this type of thing. Tommy Wonder's Wild Card routine was scripted to say that the cards in the special wallet were a collection of cards that he had selected at the same time every day. However, another idea that I don't think I've seen anyone mention thus far is one that Brother John had: put all the packet tricks into a single stack in a card box, but put them into a logical sequence and do 2-3 in a set, then go to a coin trick or something else. Not saying this is THE answer, just another one among many. Rick
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