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Bob Baker
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Just when you though they couldn't get any lower, now the purveyors of this garbage are offering it to the public on Amazon.com.

Click http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B......eatcarry to see the ad and read my brief review.

Bob
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Good review.This makes me ashamed to be a capitalist!.I may move to Cuba if they
would let me in!
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Hey man this is not right and I know its not.

Simon has something to do with it so it must be good.

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Magic Makers has over 175 products on Amazon. I can't believe they're releasing the pencil trick like that!!!!!
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What he said ^




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Since when was the last time that Penguin, Hocus, Ellusionist and any other online magic shop turned down an order from a complete layman? Let me answer that for you. Never. So what really is the difference? I am not seeing it.
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I don't imagine lay people ordering it, and if they do, I see some returns. If you deal with Amazon, saying you bought the secret does not cut it.
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What exactly is the problem, is it that it's sold on Amazon or that it is a rip off. If it's the latter, in what way did it rip of the MOAB? I did a search but couldn't find anything.
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The problem is yes, it is a rip off of MOAB, but it is also being sold to the general public at a very cheap price. Many performers in mentalism use MOAB in their show. The bigger problem is the way it's being advertised and the choice of words to sell the book. It really doesn't matter if it's on Amazon or a magic site because its just as easy to find either way. But when you advertise "Learn to Read Minds" and "Includes How To Instructions" then you are inticing many people who wouldn't know that you could learn the secrets if you buy from a magic site.

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I put in my 2 cents, maybe it'll help. Controlled Reviews and Comments might be a way to help control the damage.
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For a long time, the MOABT was the favorite tool of many performing mentalists.

As the MOABT (and it's "rip-offs") find their way into the hands of more and more performers, the serious mentalist will need to create a telpathy demonstations that appear to NOT use the MOABT method ... or a telepathy demonstration that uses more tham the MOABT.

By combining the MOABT with several other "conflicting" methods in a fast-paced, entertaining telepathy demonstration, I am still able to amaze an audience.

But it takes real thought and clever routining to pull it off.

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On 2007-03-22 23:08, Josh Zandman wrote:
The problem is yes, it is a rip off of MOAB, but it is also being sold to the general public at a very cheap price. Many performers in mentalism use MOAB in their show. The bigger problem is the way it's being advertised and the choice of words to sell the book. It really doesn't matter if it's on Amazon or a magic site because its just as easy to find either way. But when you advertise "Learn to Read Minds" and "Includes How To Instructions" then you are inticing many people who wouldn't know that you could learn the secrets if you buy from a magic site.

JZ


I didn't realize this is a rip off product. I thought the issue was the fact it was being sold on Amazon. Somebody did mention Magic Makers, so I should have guessed they ripped someone off.
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... and it seems to be a trend now of using the names of other Ted K effects to sell the copy-cat product.

JZ
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Simon Lovell has argued with me about condemning MM for ripping people off. To tell you the truth, people who let these guys get away with it and work for MM should find a nice red light to stand under, and stop cars asking "Hey, magician, wanna buy a trick?"

To be absolutely fair, I must point out that this is completely legal. Ted K. did not originate the principle used in MOAB. Although he has copyrighted the text, if someone else has written a new novel that uses the same principle, then there isn't anything we can do about it except write bad reviews of it.
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Bill,

I didn't argue with you at all. I just pointed out that, while MM, has had its past it is trying hard now to get full credits and history on effects. I also pointed out that they do seem to be the whipping boys here as I'm sure many of us could put down a long list of dealers who have consistantly ripped others off.

I'm not saying that it is right just saying that sometimes it really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

Very best wishes to all,

Simon
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I just put up a bad review about the book on Amazon. My pen name is "The Mentalist". I wonder why it is not showing up yet, they probably read it before listing it.
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Hi Simon, I have a legitimate question for you. Can you shed any light on why Rob named his book 'The Million Dollar Book Test'? I know you that you personally know that Ted K has an effect called this. And how do you feel about the way it's being sold on Amazon with Rob's choice of target selling words?

JZ
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On 2007-03-23 12:14, Simon Lovell wrote:
Bill,

I didn't argue with you at all. I just pointed out that, while MM, has had its past it is trying hard now to get full credits and history on effects. I also pointed out that they do seem to be the whipping boys here as I'm sure many of us could put down a long list of dealers who have consistantly ripped others off.

I'm not saying that it is right just saying that sometimes it really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

Very best wishes to all,

Simon


Simon:

At the IBM Convention in 2004, you said to me "Why do you keep bashing Magic Makers? They aren't doing anything that any other dealer doesn't do."

And I replied with a rather succinct reference to the excrement of the male bovine.

Then I gave you a list of items they have knocked off. If they want to clean up their act, they need to get rid of all of the phoney Paul Fox cups and come up with their own design. They need to quit selling bad copies of Viking and CW props. They need to quit knocking off MAK Magic. They need to quit knocking off Ted K.

You and Marty Graham are the only really creative people they have working for them. I had hopes when your DVD sets came out that this was the start of a new trend.
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Mike:

They read all the reviews before they post them.
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Josh,

I had nothing to do with the title of the effect and certainly had no idea that Ted K had a book test with the same name.I don't know where you'd get the idea that "you personally know that I knew that." Quite simply not true! As I've said before on another thread here I was simply employed to write the instructions for the test and did so with as many credits as I could find on the methodology of the test. Had I known of the other test with the same name I would have insisted on it being changed.

As for it being sold on Amazon I really have no thoughts either way. Lot's of magic stuff is sold there, just as it is in magic shops and other web sites. That's just business whether we like it or not.

People share files, effects and even xerox copies of books. Heck, even some of my products, from other dealers, can be found on Amazon and in file sharing sites (no permission asked for on the file sharing sites I may add)! I've been told that my books are even being offered free on some of them! Perhaps some of the knockers on the Café find it OK to do this. I've personally spoken to young magicians who see nothing wrong with this at all. So where should the line be drawn in the sand? I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, just that some folks might want to consider the full picture here. Business will go on, the internet will, no doubt, become ever more invasive but that's not something I'm in control of so I just move on and try to do the best work that I can.

All I "argued" with Bill was that MM may well have done some shady things but that it was rather unfair to pick them out without naming the others who have done similar things. I'm sure that Bill is fully aware of at least one other dealer who has been banned from advertising the Linking Ring for these very "crimes." Of course it hasn't stopped other magazines taking his ads ... again, I guess, that's just business.

I can only speak for myself in that I always try to do the right thing. I always try to be ethical. Of course we all make mistakes but then we move on. To quote from Batman Begins, "Why do we fall, sir? So we may learn to pick ourselves up." Let's all hope to follow this premise. Nobody is perfect but we can at least decide to never stop learning.

Bill, I hope you continue to enjoy my DVD projects. I'll look forward to seeing you again soon!

Very best wishes to all,

Simon
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Funny that Simon wants to start drawing lines in the sand when he's the one that's getting ripped off; but Ted getting ripped off is "just business whether we like it or not". I knew there was a reason, other than making fun of cripples from the safety of the stage, that I didn't care for Simon. Smile
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Thank you Lance Smile
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Magicians? are strange toys.

Heck I have been pretty close to cripple before and if the cat made fun of me you can bet I could still knock him to the ground and make him reconsider his position.
(Being a chicken neck close to snapping under my heal).

But we have to give him some slack coz magicians are not used to dealing with an ethical code that was once theirs but is now ours.

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Bitterman,

I didn't say it was about my products ... goodness knows I've been ripped off more times than I care to remember. I was merely saying that we all need to clean our own house, all of us, before throwing stones at others. I still just count it as business when its my products. It happens whether anybody likes it or not. I wasn't drawing any lines in any sand, just asking WHERE they should be drawn with regards to everybody. I didn't say it was right, I simply pointed out, that regardless, it is business ... not my business, but the way business is.

To repeat for one last time ... I haven't ripped anybody off ... I was simply asked to write a set of instructions and did so giving credit as best as I could.

If by making fun of cripples you are talking about my plastic hip gag then let me assure you that my dad has two plastic hips and loves the gag. Next year I may be getting one myself and will still use the gag. I don't count having a plastic hip as being a cripple. I can't think of any other gag you could be referring to so, maybe, you might want to re-think your definition of the, somewhat un PC word, cripple. My father plays golf every day and is certainly not handicapped by the procedure to cure him of pain at all. Your implication that I would make fun of cripples is nothing to do with the thread here and, in my humble opinion, is just a cheap shot.

As for you not caring for me that's fine. You can't please all the people all the time, nor would I wish to be so bland as to be able to.

I wish you very best wishes,

Simon
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I liked the music in the DVD. Very nice.
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Simon,

Well done.

Good response and if ChiChi likes the music it must be good.

J ack

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It did make me dance Jim. I also started speaking with a British accent for a few days.
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To repeat for one last time ... I haven't ripped anybody off ... I was simply asked to write a set of instructions and did so giving credit as best as I could.

Simon



To write instructions and "give credits" on a mentalism book test ... and NOT know about the MOABT is like writing a book about home run hitters ... and not know about Babe Ruth.


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