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John T. Sheets Inner circle Las Vegas, USA 1105 Posts |
I no longer perform it like the demo video anymore. Over time, and after so many performances, there is a natural evolution, and honing of the effect. I've completely changed the way I perform it, the mechanics, psychology, misdirection, etc.
I've talked about different methods and ideas for the misdirection throughout this thread. Here is some of what I have said in the past: I try not to repeat it for the same person or group, but as you already know, people always request to see it again and again. When performing a set, this effect is the one that constantly gets the attention. I have found that when I tell people that I cannot repeat it, they will then try to get sneaky. Sometimes they will leave, but then return with someone new, who then requests to see the effect. They will sometimes linger near by, circling kinda like sharks, lol. They try to watch "secretly" from the back of a group or from behind other people, while trying not to be noticed. LOL! I have had people follow me from group to group, staying a little behind me. They show up a few moments after I've already started the set, as I believe they know I'm not going to stop the performance or tell them to go away. Maybe it's because I've already started performing for others. I've even had the occasional bribe to do it again. Oh well, what can you do? I've had people see it 4 and 5 times in a row and still be fooled and amazed. However, I do suggest that in the event that someone is able to see a repeat performance, that you alter the effect, routine, timing, moment of the "work", psychology, etc.. Many of the ideas are explained on the DVD. Here are just a few that come to mind at this time. I'm sure there are many more that I am forgetting to mention right now. I also don't want to repeat too much of what is on the DVD. One of the biggest pieces of advice I can give is to change the moment that you do the work. Sometimes I do it while I say "this metal CANNOT be bent", creating a dual reality of sorts. They think you are just demonstrating that it can't be done, when in fact you are secretly doing it. You can tell a joke like "have you ever seen the trick where a coin disappears when you tap it with a pen? -Well, I don't do that trick". This is a great moment to do the work, as the audience laughs, lets their guard down etc.. Another good moment is after you ask a direct question, like "Do you know what this coin is made of?" They will always look up at your eyes or at another spectator while answering or asking for the answer. I have also done the work at an unplanned moment, like a quick distraction in the room, a loud noise or someone else entering the group, etc.. I have also done it while walking around someone to better position myself in the group, so that "they may get a better view". Using another prop, or a second coin in the routine could also create a great opportunity. Something to remember about the QB2, is that after you have done the secret work, it is possible to display the coin as still being flat and straight. There are also a few displays or convincers that you can ad into it as well, like tossing the coin into the air and catching it, as you say something like "watch the coin". They will see the coin traveling up through the air and back down again, and they will quietly convince themselves that they saw a flat coin flying through the air. I never say "look it's flat/straight", but rather simply "look" or "OK, here we go". Tossing it from one hand to another does the same kind of thing. They can't focus their eyes on the tumbling coin, and because you are ahead of them, they have no clue of the actual situation. Also, don't forget the false take that is explained on the DVD, where you simulate holding the coin in your hand, and carry it away from the QB2, to create less time that the coin and device have apparently spent together. If you own the DVD, you will know what I'm talking about. I do encourage owners of the QB2 to brainstorm, and to use their own ideas, routines, style, presentation, patter, etc., and to find what fits best for them, their style, and personality. Trial and error is a great thing and can be a valuable learning experience. Of course the more you do it, the more you will discover great things on your own. It is a tool, that when given the proper time, attention, rehearsal, thinking, routining, etc, can be extremely strong and convincing, and therefore can make it a favorite prop in your arsenal, and one of your most requested effects. I hope this helps. Magically, John http://www.johntsheets.com Inventor of the "Quantum Bender" and the "Quantum Bender 2.0"
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theinternetguru Elite user I hacked the Café but I still only have 426 Posts |
Thank you, and also to Saysold1 and Lunatik, who sent me a PM. It seems that the key is to maintain eye contact and ask questions while the deed is happening, and if possible, to come up with some natural motions of your hands before and after the action itself. I will spend time on it this week and then submit friends and family to a trial run. Thank you all.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2011-08-19 15:17, theinternetguru wrote: Internetguru: Have fun! You won't believe how easy it is to do the work lickety split, and once you get used to the placement of the coin without looking you will get super comfortable with it. I usually keep the pocket clip facing me. It will all become second nature when you start doing it. I also strongly recommend you buy yourself a nice leather case to protect your investment - I use this one and swear by it - great quality, and mine still looks new after a year - and so does my QB2. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009WMIPY I worried WAY too much when I got this last year about the moment being so bold, but it really isn't bold once you start doing it. Jon - thanks VERY VERY much for the really good advice above. Besides being a genius, you are a very generous creator and your advice is always helpful - even though I do this al lthe time - I can still use tips on doing repeats as you are correct that many want to see this again and again. Oh well!
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John T. Sheets Inner circle Las Vegas, USA 1105 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I thought I'd post this here because my PM box has suddenly blown up with allot of people asking the same questions. Yes, the way I perform the QB2 now is different than what is on the demo. I think the demo is pretty old now, at least to me. I have been considering making a new video, but right now I can't promise as I've been so crazy busy lately. I use allot of the ideas that I've recently shared on the QB2 thread. The way I do the secret work now is less animated with motion, and I've changed it a little mechanically as well. I believe the way I do the work now is allot less visible to the eye. I think applying trial and error to your practice will help tweak it for the better, and doing so over time creates a natural progression that should only get better as you go. As with anything, the more you do it, the better you will get. Thanks for all the interest. Magically, John
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theinternetguru Elite user I hacked the Café but I still only have 426 Posts |
Thanks, my case is on order.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2011-08-19 15:17, theinternetguru wrote: So how are you doing with your new QB2 ?
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Wow, Yeah John, got us curious now!
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theinternetguru Elite user I hacked the Café but I still only have 426 Posts |
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On 2011-08-24 09:04, saysold1 wrote: I did a family and friends performance, they were absolutely astounded. No clue whatsoever how I did this. My younger brother is a police officer. He was watching me carefully on this one, and his mouth just dropped open when he got the bent coin. The children in the room now believe uncle Mike has true mental powers. Except for my own kids of course, lol. I went with a combination of your suggestions for patter, and some specific ideas that Lunatik sent me in a PM. All I need to think about now is how I am going to do it next time, when some of the same people are present. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2011-08-27 12:23, theinternetguru wrote: That is great!!! Just re-read some of John's great ideas above for repeats. Honestly, I have done the trick more than once for the same people and haven't changed a thing. There are really two groups of repeaters - those that seek to be "amazed" again, and the other people who are burning you looking to see the move or method. Sometimes you can get a sense for which people fall into which group. Those that want to be amazed seem to kick back and are so excited to see THEIR friends amazed that the spend the whole trick watching them - that is my experiencing anyway. I think John's idea of a kind of dual reality in saying "you can't bend a quarter" when doing the move is very solid for repeats. As you play with this more you will find that there is an "optimal" bend amount - if you bend too much, it comes off crappy and is hard to do the reveal smoothly. If you bend too little, it still looks good but the effect loses a smidgen of astonishment - as people visually don't "see" the bend occurring slowly as you reveal it. As you practice more you will find that you get the right amount of bend when you make the move 95% of the time without thinking about it... I also ALWAYS carry quarters but also ALWAYS ask for a quarter first as my preference is to use theirs.
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Here's a different type of reveal that I created a long time ago, and it gets a strong reaction. After putting in the work, spin the coin on a table. Because of the spin, the audience can't tell that the coin is already bent. When the coin starts to slow down, it will quickly stop, so just when you see it slow down, hold your hand about a foot away from the coin with your palm facing it, tense your hand so that it shakes as if you're transmitting energy towards the coin, and the coin will fall and be seen bent. It's a hands-off method of appearing to bend the coin. Enjoy.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Great idea but it seems when I tried it that you have to only put a small bend in the coin - too much bend seems to impede the ability of the coin to spin.
I love the concept but I'm assuming you are "moderating" the bend so as not to be too great...is that correct Larry? Thanks so much for sharing the idea. BRETT
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Correct, the bend shouldn't be too severe, and by the way, I spin the coin with both hands vs. one hand to get the coin spinning fast.
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nowyoucme Veteran user 350 Posts |
CV2. Way cheeper and just as good. The coin ends up the same way in the end. Bent.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On 2011-08-30 05:49, nowyoucme wrote: meanwhile back at the ranch
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2011-08-30 05:49, nowyoucme wrote: Not taking the troll bait. Enjoy your CV2.
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Sammy J. Inner circle Castle Rock, Colorado 1786 Posts |
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On 2011-08-30 05:49, nowyoucme wrote: OK Brett, I will take the troll bait. Now that is funny! Good one! Ending up the same (and it's not the same) is NOT what it's about. How cleanly you get there IS! Nothing against CV2, but it isn't at the level of QB2.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
You go Sammy!!! Lol
I'm still in recovery from all my Brad Henderson run-ins on the Café.
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TheAmazingSteveo Inner circle 1581 Posts |
I made a post on this same thread Apr 5, 2007 ... after many years later using QB2 ... this continues to
remain one of my top effects ... I blend it in with other routines using a signed quarter. After many years people continue to come up to me with their signed bent quarter from there wallet or purse just to show me. I started off bringing and using my own quarters ... but this plays much bigger if you never touch the quarter only AFTER it is signed on both sides with a perm. marker. Plus it's a lot cheaper. I painted mine a few times and since it is covered up and out of play I really don't care anymore if it is bruised up. Right now mine looks pretty bad with lots of scrapes ... but it does get a work out and the mechanism has held up very well. If my QB2 ever got lost or stolen ... I DEFINTELY would buy another one fedex next day shipping. |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
How do you find so many people carrying coins with them these days Steveo? I have to use my own.
I always let them keep it also and then, they can take it and have it looked at and as long as it is signed before the bend, it should have the same effect on them. I mean backtracking, you could have easily sw****d their quarter also.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Wayne-
I ALWAYS ask for a quarter - always. So I encourage whoever is there to search around to locate one of their own - even if it take a minute or two to locate one. Sure I always have a pocket full of some quarters, but in about 85-90% of the situations, someone finds a quarter somewhere in the room. Worst case I pull my own out. To my mind I think that QB2 is *slightly* more organic when the spectator supplies the coin. That's my preference. I also realize that at a wedding or more formal gig, the chances of people carrying loose change is greatly lessened so carrying your own quarters is a must.
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