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marD
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I've been practicing the flustration count and don't feel comfortable with it. I would like to be smoother with it. The major problems that I seem to be having with it are the fact that I'm having trouble sliding the cards off (the packet buckles), and I'm not able to keep the remaining cards in line(I keep having to tap them back together, which messes up the smoothness). Any tips would be helpful.

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When I do it I grip the packet with enough pressure to bend it slightly, in my left hand. That keeps the cards in line. I then thumb off cards into my right hand by moving my left hand from side to side, keeping my right hand as still as possible.

I also started really slowly at first, learning what pressure was needed to move a single card. The fluency came with practice.

Hope that helps...

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If your skin is dry you tend to have a heavy touch. Use some skin conditioner/lotion to provide a little tackiness to your thumb. msc455magic summed it up: a light touch is necessary. If the cards are old and sticky use some newer ones. I hold the packet firmly in the right Biddle with the pinky at the extreme outer right hand corner and the middle and third finger in the center.
The index finger sort of "floats" above the back of the packet. This grip ensures the cards stay aligned properly when I thumb the cards off. Practice the light touch...you will eventually acquire the knack.
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I'm sure the advice thus far has been helpful for the Flustration count. Once you get it down, I'd recommend looking into Vallarino's Rhumba Count as well. Good luck.

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A metronome would really come in handy to learn the Flustration count as well as the rhumba count and even the elmsley.

It is a timing thing and each take of the card should be the same speed as the first..
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First of all I would highly recommend Alan Ackerman's video on false counts.
second JC Wagner has a very nice touch on the flustration count that I use and makes the count look even more deceptive.
pm e with e mail address and ill teach this technique to you
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I'm confused! Why and when do you use a buckle of any kind when doing the FlusHtration Count? I may be wrong, perhaps thinking of something else, but if you're using a buckle, you're not doing the FlusHtration Count. (I've capitalized the H because I believe this is the correct spelling. HARRY LORAYNE.
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Harry, I think marD is explaining that when he thumbs off a card the pressure causes the packet in his hand to bend/buckle and generally slide about. I don't think he is deliberately buckling the packet.

It would, as msc455magic surmissed, imply too heavy a touch when drawing off the cards.

Feel free to correct me if my earlier post was misleading...

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On 2007-04-05 11:16, vinsmagic wrote:
First of all I would highly recommend Alan Ackerman's video on false counts.
second JC Wagner has a very nice touch on the flustration count that I use and makes the count look even more deceptive.
pm e with e mail address and ill teach this technique to you
vinny


Vinny, would that apply to me too? I use the flusHtration count in a book test. I'll say no more... It feels a little transparent when I do it, but that's maybe just because I'm aware of what I'm doing.

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On 2007-04-05 08:05, KRZ4kardz wrote:
If your skin is dry you tend to have a heavy touch. Use some skin conditioner/lotion to provide a little tackiness to your thumb...

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Absolutely the best advice. Dry hands cause all sort of problems and, especially while you are learning it, you don't want dry hands when you are doing this (although it is SO much easier once you get the hang of it, I just did the count with gloves on, to give you an idea).

I work a lot less with cards these days but years ago I got some advice that really helped. Use unmedicated Vagisil as a hand moisturizer. You will be amazed at the difference it makes.

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On 2007-04-05 11:16, vinsmagic wrote:
First of all I would highly recommend Alan Ackerman's video on false counts.
second JC Wagner has a very nice touch on the flustration count that I use and makes the count look even more deceptive.
pm e with e mail address and ill teach this technique to you
vinny


Vinny, would that apply to me too? I use the flusHtration count in a book test. I'll say no more... It feels a little transparent when I do it, but that's maybe just because I'm aware of what I'm doing.

Cheers,

Jason
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Vinny,

I do like that little change and you do it very well. I wouldn't think so but have you ever gotten questions because you change the way you are showing the cards?

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Carlos in answer to your querstion I have never ever been questioned to the handling of the cards....
Jc showed that to me and I have been using it ever since
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On 2007-04-05 09:48, ShaunRobison wrote:
A metronome would really come in handy to learn the Flustration count as well as the rhumba count and even the elmsley.

It is a timing thing and each take of the card should be the same speed as the first..



ShaunRobison,
Great tip.
I will start using one when I practice.

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Try holding the packet with only your middle and ring fingers at the outer right corner. Also as many have mentioned use a VERY light touch. I can't stress that enough.
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I completely agree about the use of some sort of hand lotion like Corn Huskers or Neutragena. I find that when sliding a card off a pack, if my thumb is dry, it is an all but impossible task. One solution, albeit a tacky one, would be to lick your fingers and thumb (out of site of the audience of course) just before performing the trick. You could even put some on the palm of your hand if part of your handling the cards requires using that part (like the erdnase color change).
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Harry Lorayne, as usual, is correct. The Flushtration Count, in which cards are taken by the right hand one on top of the other, and the hand turned over to show the same back (or face) as additional cards are taken, should require no Buckle.

As to the 'H' in FlusHtration -- this is a mystery, Harry. I edited the big Hamman book and changed all the 'Flustrations' in the text to 'Flushtration' back then. If you look in the index, you'll find Richard Kaufman lists 'Flustration Count' and 'Double Flushtration Count', spelling it both ways.

So I really don't know. I've thought about this over the years (shows you what kind of a life I lead). If it's a pun on 'Frustration', which it obviously is, maybe 'Flustration' is correct after all!

I still call it 'Flushtration' in manuscripts I write or edit.

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Well it depends if you are right or left handed..
I use plain old spit, I lick my finger if ncessary ..
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