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I got really busy this weekend (Easter production at my church) but I wanted to thank you all for the tips that you've given me. Vinny, the video was great and I appreciate you taking the time to do that for me. I think that the main problem that I had was that I was holding on too tight. I'm still practicing to get just the right amount of pressure, but it will come.

Thanks again to all those that have helped with this! Please don't let this end the thread though. There is a lot of good info and discussion here...

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On 2007-04-05 08:02, FreefallFool wrote:
When I do it I grip the my left hand... I then thumb off cards into my right hand by moving my left hand from side to side, keeping my right hand as still as possible.

On 2007-04-06 18:39, Harry Lorayne wrote:
...your left thumb simply rests on top of, and holds, the top card as your right hand moves the packet away as it turns palm up to flash the packet's bottom card.

Okay, so I'm left handed but it's nice to know I'm doing something right, in the eyes of Harry Lorayne no less. Cheers Harry!

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If you want some smooth types of flustration counts you may wanna research some of these:
The Orion Count by Dan Garrett
The Rumba Count by Vallarino
Daryl's Mexican Turnover Top Change Second Deal
Any of these counts done together are quite deceptive my personal favorite is the Orion Count followed by the Rumba Count. Try these I'm sure you'll love them just a word about the Orion Count it takes a little work but once you get it watch yourself in the mirror it's pretty deceptive.

Hope this helps

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Agostini: The only problem with your suggestion is that those are NOT the Flushtration Count. Entirely different concepts. HARRY LORAYNE.
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Dudes!!! In my book the flustration = the frustration.

I ain't never got the move down to be gettin' the props from my peeps.

Maybe I should be stickin to dem coins!! I can be doin' all the moves wid dem sukkas!!!

Cards just ain't my biz. No serious style!

By the way Harry is DA BOMB!!! He is rockin it all the way! Top schooly D to you Sir Harry.

Over and out!

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A good tip for the flushtration count is alternating between turning the packet palm up to turning the packet to face the audience. Each time a card is drawn off you switch. The count is more convincing this way. (Card College)
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On 2007-04-12 17:14, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Agostini: The only problem with your suggestion is that those are NOT the Flushtration Count. Entirely different concepts. HARRY LORAYNE.


With respect, the Orion and Rumba Counts are the same as the Flushtration Count in that they show X cards as the same card. The mechanics and appearance are different, but their end results are identical to the end result of the Flushtration Count.

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I second Andi on that. I love the Orion, in appearance it looks vastly different, in methodology and 'effect' is exactly the same.
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Good point Andi. My thoughts: Soft touch, Slow, and smooth. Keep a rythym going the slower the better.
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For proper credit, the Orion Count was created by Yves Doumergue from Lyon, France. I explained this along with a routine I developed using the count in my 2002: The Last Palindrome booklet.
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