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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
I would warn any new magicians out there to be careful using the stripper deck. It makes you very lazy, since most of it's effects can be done with a normal deck of cards. I don't think there is much of a reason for it anyways.
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
A stripper can give an amateur magician some confidence, as he can focus on his presentation and style, and get some applause as he starts out. Then he can add in slights as he learns them.
A stripper used along with a few slights can be one of the most effective weapons you can use. It can fool even seasoned magicians. Finally, remember those of us who can't do fancy slights due to physical limitations. For us, a stripper deck is a godsend. A stripper deck is just another tool in the magician's arsenal, as are other self-working tricks. Don't denigrate any of the magician's tool set. Remain open to the possibilities that each opens up to you.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
The main thing I think the stripper deck makes you lazy in is holding breaks. I don't think it should every be used as a regular deck just to make it easyer to hold a break. I was just trying to disscurage it a little bit because I have seen some magicianbs and use to myself use it as a normall deck. But yes there are some effects that it can do that makes it worth buying. It just made me lazy starting out making it very hard for me to have the paitents for harder slights. I don't want any newer magicians to have the same problem.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
A very good German magician wanted to get Stripper decks made by me as I do them more convincing than the ones you can buy elsewhere.
I was completely floored when he told me in which stage effect he used the Stripper deck. So he could concentrate completely on his performance and acting. Good idea from a professional. Why to make it difficult if you can do it easier for you? Christian
Expert in playing card production for magicians.
The Person Who Says It cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt The Person Doing It! Chinese Proverb |
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61magic Special user Sacramento California 774 Posts |
I don't know that I would go so far as to say a gimmick deck will make you lazy at sleight of hand, tell the same thing to a coin guy that using gimmicked coins would make him lazy.
Gimmicks are at the core of many effects in magic and by no means a tool to make you lazy. In the spectator's mind a card force using a Svengali deck is not much different than one using a clever sleight. Effect is the focus of the spectators attention, not the method. Magicians are the one guilty of focusing on methods. I personally would enjoy a good performance of a magician doing a routine with a gimmicked deck rather than a poor sleight of hand performance by someone who does nothing more than practice 52 ways to cut a deck...
Professor J. P. Fawkes
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Agreed, they are concerned about the result. How we decide to get to it is our choice.
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SeaDawg Special user The Lunatic Fringe 718 Posts |
Please explain why a "stripper" should be singled out for this treatemtent? there are a lot of other gaffs and trick decks that could be considered "Flawed" in some sense.
There is one trick that I do that can really benefit from the use of a Stripper. Am I the best finger flinger ever? Nope... But I make a living doing this stuff...
Crazy people take the psycho-path thru the forest...
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daniel_lachman Regular user 131 Posts |
I liked it a lot when I first got it becasue it plays very big.
After a few months it stopped working though, so I've stopped using it. When I would try to strip out one card, I would pull out two or three. It never happened to me in a performance, but I would hate to see someone mess up because they are unaware that the deck only works for so long. |
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
Good grief, man, you've got to maintain your props! Keep your cards clean and pressed in a card clip. If you work in a dirty environment, replace them as often as you can. You can get a new stripper deck for a couple of bucks - there's absolutely no excuse for working with sticky cards.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
Well I guess I am wrong about that deck. But I don't know any effects with it since I only use a regular deck or the Invisible deck. Maybe if I learn some effects I will learn the power of it. I am still new to magic and I guess I had something wrong. But whatever that is what this forum is for, talk with other magicians and learn some stuff. If any one could tell me of a Web Site that might have a few effects for the Stripper that would be great thanks
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ursusminor Elite user Norway 443 Posts |
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On 2007-06-22 19:02, totalmagic wrote: Exactly... If you look, you will find plenty of effects in the litterature. Bjørn
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." - Winston Churchill" |
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
Hugard's "Encyclopedia of Card Magic" alone has over 50 tricks with a Stripper deck. In any case, it's an inexpensive classic of card magic that you should have in your library.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
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On 2007-06-23 22:33, airship wrote: Ok I will try to get that Thanks Maddux |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
"Out of this World" comes to mind.
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
No layman has ever called me lazy. And for that matter, neither has any magician.
That's why I have an issue with this topic. But rather than rant and rave, I prefer to take a stab at edification. Please bear with me. Back in the day, when I started doing magic for live audiences at the age of 10(!), I instinctively knew that how the trick was done was really a null issue. Nobody other magician had ever told me this...and, in retrospect, I guess now that I just felt it. I knew that the "how" was just an academic issue, a moot point, and one that my audiences really wouldn't care about unless I somehow made them care. All I concentrated on was audience reaction, or the lack thereof. Fast-forward about 10 years. I'm independent. I'm earning money. I have my own wheels. I start visiting magic shops and attend magic club meeting. I start discovering that there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. I start learning about different methods of achieving the same result and I start hearing others' opinions on which method is "better", and "why." It was at this time that I was informed that pure sleight of hand was better than gaff and gimmick. "Why is pure sleight better?", I asked. "Because it impresses other magicians, pal", I'm told. "Ya gotta have the chops, or you can talk to the tyros," I'm instructed. And that's when I lost sight of my original purposes and intents. I forgot about effect and started concentrating on method. Silly me. That was a mistake that took me another 10 years to figure out. And that brings me to the edification. If you are worried about a Stripper deck making you lazy, I strongly urge you to go the gym and get some more exercise. While you're there, reassess your values regarding this communication medium. Ask yourself why exactly have you chosen this path of expression when there are so many others. Have you chosen it for yourself, or for others? Are you doing it so you know the "best" ways, or because you want to make other people feel like they're floating in thin air? Closing points: Choosing sleight of hand over gaffs and gimmicks is a matter of taste. It's a personal choice that everybody serious about this stuff will eventually make. There is no "better" or "worse" way until audience perception is taken into account. And finally, I have seen a Stripper swung in, its effect delivered to all types of audiences, and then swung out leaving everybody involved more "enlightened" than they were when they woke up. This approach to using gaff and gimmick takes much more planning, persuasion, and intestinal fortitude. I know this because this is how I handle most of the gaff and gimmick I've chosen to use. That makes me very hesitant to call a Stripper "lazy". Unless she refuses to dance. But I digress.
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
Hey man you need to read all the posts in a thread before replying. this is what I already said above
Well I guess I am wrong about that deck. But I don't know any effects with it since I only use a regular deck or the Invisible deck. Maybe if I learn some effects I will learn the power of it. I am still new to magic and I guess I had something wrong. But whatever that is what this forum is for, talk with other magicians and learn some stuff. If any one could tell me of a Web Site that might have a few effects for the Stripper that would be great thanks |
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Patrick Differ Inner circle 1540 Posts |
Hey man, I did. Have a great day.
Will you walk into my parlour? said the Spider to the Fly,
Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy; The way into my parlour is up a winding stair, And I've a many curious things to show when you are there. Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain, For who goes up your winding stair -can ne'er come down again. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Totalmagic, take some time and put the work into a memdeck. You will amaze yourself!
Magic is a vanishing art.
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totalmagic New user 69 Posts |
Memdeck? ok
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
Hello everyone. I came late to card magic and simply don't have the physical dexterity that comes with decades of practice with pasteboards. I'm also one of the blasphemers who use cards in mentalism (I know, I should be stoned to death - I'll bring the stones). I heard about stripper decks and bought one. I quickly realised that this is a deck that's capable of a huge number of sleights in its own right, as well as all those found in mainstream card magic. Simply being able to track and control multiple single cards and even blocks gives it a unique scope - just ask Henry Evans! Combine the two schools of study and you've got something rather lovely - a very flexible tool indeed. I ended up writing a 96-page book of the sleights I'd found, a version of which is about to be released by BigBlindMedia.
So, what's my point? Don't dismiss any tool in magic as being somehow infra dig. Learn as much about it as you can and apply it when and where appropriate. Don't ever worry about impressing other magi unless they're your primary audience, and always remember that a lazy magician will get caught out, whether he's using a stripper deck or any other tool. After all, if you're no good at handling a deck and miraculously pull a card from the middle of it, where's your spectator's attention going to be? On you or on the deck? |
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