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The Six-Hour Memorized Deck by Martin Joyal. 1997 - Hermetic Press Inc, Seattle, USA.
http://www.joyalstack.com/

If you want to learn a memorized deck of cards get this book with 230 pages. It's hard to believe, but after reading this book and after 3 nights of hard practice I had the Joyal Stack in my memory! Incredible!
Joyal Stack uses 14 rules plus a smart learning tool.
I read about memorized deck systems many years ago, but thought it was to hard to learn. Today I can recall any card's position in a deck with 52 cards in a blink! Or vice versa. You need to practice every day the first weeks, then after some time the system will appear automatically in your mind whenever you need it. Until today I have done many performances with Joyal Stack and I have never missed to recall any card or stack number.

Joyal's MEMO System has a very different approach to teaching a memo stack. Joyal's memo Stack uses 14 rules to learn the full deck. First it looks hard, but after a while you will find it's very easy to understand the concept. The book has crystal clear graphics to help you to memorize the stack.
The first time you will use the rules in your mind but after a while you can recall any stack number in blink and the rules will fade away.

To have a memorized deck in your head is like upgrading your IQ from 100 to 200. It feels like you have the devil in your mind! If you want to fool people extremely "badly," use a memorized stack!

Most effects with a memorized deck are small miracles. Double lift, Pass etc. are useful but to use a memorized stack is extremely useful. If you manage to learn this stack, try also to learn some false shuffles and false cuts plus a good deck switch. Then you are set for killer card magic for the rest of your life.

I discovered that if you combine this Stack with a Marked Deck then you will have a double power miracle deck. Try Boris Wilds new marked Bikini Deck.

I think this is the best thing in my card magic career. I performed for the local area magic club recently and I can tell you they looked very weird after some card effects with this stack.
Hehee...always fun to fool magicians...
Laymens are almost without any clue when you use a memo stack.
don't confuse a memo stck with a system stack: big difference.

There are several great effects in this book and they are pretty easy to do:

Lazy Mentalist Returns
Poutpart Trick
Patton Pending
Pattonlogy
Humming Speller
Your Lucky Day
Scratch It
Red, White, and Blue [any card at any number]

I think you will find at least one routine that fits your performing style.

You can also find lot of interesting facts about various Stacks.
Yes, this book is very well written and has very nice illustrations.

There are many miracle effects you can do with a memo deck.
If you are a mentalist this must be heaven Smile
Zen Master in Darwin Ortiz new book is a "real" miracle with a memorized deck of cards, there are three more memo stacks effects in his book that is very powerful.

Here is the stack, can you see any order?

JH 6C 6H 4C 10D AD 7C 4H 9C 5D QH AS KC
7H 10S 4S JS 9H KD 5S 7S 2C QC AH 10H 6S
9S 7D QD 5H KH 4D 3C 3H 10C 9D QS 3S 3D
2H 8C 2S JC 2D 8H 8S KS AC JD 5C 8D 6D

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TIP!
Check out Simon Aronson's work/books if you want to learn more about memorized card effects.
His books are a great source for memorized deck effects.
http://www.simonaronson.com/

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If you want to explore Joyal Stack out download this great free software:

http://www.stackview.com/
"StackView is a simple utility program for magicians interested in exploring the effect of various actions to a stacked deck."

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If you think its hard to memorize 52 cards READ THIS:

Most Cards Memorized
British mindbender Dominic O'Brien memorized on a single sighting a random sequence of 54 separate packs of cards all shuffled together (2,808 playing cards) at the basement bar of Simpson's-In-The-Strand, London, UK, on May 1, 2002.

It took Dominic 11 hours 42 minutes to memorize the 54 packs, and reciting them in the exact sequence took 3 hours 30 minutes. Guinness World Record rules allow only 0.5% margin of error (so no more than 14 errors), and memory-man Dominic completed the record with just eight errors – four mistakes and four prompted corrections.

Info from:
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/
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Are there built-in effects because of the order of the Joyal stack, the way there are in Aronson's stack? Or is the point of the Joyal stack order just that it's systematic in some way that's easy to memorize?

Thanks!
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Not really. The biggest advantage with the Joyal Stack is it's easy to memorize and easy to keep in root memory, plus the stack looks very shuffled.
There are no poker or bridge effects built-in but there are lots of effects you can do with a stack like this.
Simon Aronson's books has several effects that are stack independent.

A simple effect like this is easy to do with Joyal Stack:

Write a prediction on a paper.
Put the deck down, let the spectator name any card. Turn the paper around, it says; King of Clubs plus 13!

Tell the spectator to take the deck out and count to 13 and there it is, King of Clubs... A MIRACLE !
They can keep the paper as a souvenir.

How did I get the prediction on the paper?
Easy, just use a simple nailwriter.
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I agree that the Joyal Stack is an excellent choice for those looking for a memorized stack. It has fourteen rules to remember the entire stack. The Aronson's Stack (also excellent) requires you to remember all 52 with a mnemonic for each one, as well as a mnemonic for each of 52 positons, plus a mnemonic for the associations of the cards with the positions for a total of 156 things to remember. So the learning curve is quite a bit longer.

I was able to learn the Joyal Stack in just over 2 hours, although I am blessed with a naturally extremely good memory. I still use the Joyal Stack all the time. Most of Aronson's memorized deck effects will work with the Joyal Stack--you just don't have the poker deals and spelling effects built in, although I suspect with careful study of the Joyal Stack, you could figure out a few "built-in" effects.

All in all, Joyal is MUCH easier to learn with only a nominally lower amount of features.
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If Kjellstrom's listed order is correct, there are repeated (duplicate) cards throughout and only 51 cards in the stack! Maybe the stack is not so easy to remember?!
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I am a big fan of the Joyal Stack, it was very easy to learn and pretty easy to use. My only complaint about the book is the effects included, they aren't too impressive. But a good imagination will remedy that problem. It gets my highest rating.

MIKE
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On 2003-02-01 19:39, chrismatt wrote:
If Kjellstrom's listed order is correct, there are repeated (duplicate) cards throughout and only 51 cards in the stack! Maybe the stack is not so easy to remember?!
No, that is not right. He made a couple of typos, that's all. There are 52 cards in the stack--it's just a regular deck. And it's exceptionally easy to remember. It is not a cyclical stack like Stebbins or 8 kings, and it is not a mirror (or Tetredistic) stack, which is why you have to memorize it to use it! But compared to other published memorized stacks (Aronson, Nikola) it is SIGNIFICANTLY easier to learn.
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I use a Tetredistic stack. Works fine for me. Scott, did you say you use 2 different stacks??
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The stack is corrected now! My native language is Swedish so it's easy to mix the the language up.
Today I'm going to perform some magic. One effect will be "Any Card at Any Number" with the Joyal Stack. I do this routine with a deck-switch for maximum impact.
I also use the old Si Stebbins Stack for some effects.

I think there is a very long list of effects with a memorized deck on this forum, somewhere.
Use Search to find it!

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On 2003-02-02 04:09, TheMagicMan wrote:
I use a Tetedistic stack, works fine for me, Scott did you say you use 2 different stacks??
I use a number of different stacks, depending on what I want to do--sometimes, no stack at all. The type you're using is very good. You're in good company--it is also Allan Ackerman's stack of choice.

I'm not saying any one stack or type of stack is better than any other. All I'm saying is that, for a MEMORIZED stack, the Joyal is by far the easiest to learn of any that I've seen.
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On 2003-02-01 21:24, irishmagic wrote:
my only complaint about the book is the effects included, they aren't too impressive. But a good imagination will remedy that problem. It gets my highest rating.


I agree with you about the tricks. I didn`t find them very impressive either. The stack, however, is very easy to learn and has served me very well. The provided overview of different card systems and stacks is also very good. I can highly recommend the book for anyone who wants to learn a practical memorized stack in a short period of time.

Risto
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In deciding which stack to memorize, there are other factors besides ease of learning. When I learned the Aronson Stack, I already had considerable experience with mnemonics. I did go through forming the associations that Scott talks about, but it's not at all difficult and kind of fun. In time the associations just fade away and you know the cards.
I prefer the Aronson stack because so many great effects have already been worked out for it. But, whatever stack you choose, a memorized deck is a powerful tool. And the good news is that learning one is not as hard as you might imagine. Remember, you can go over your associations any time and anywhere that you have a spare moment. Driving down the road, I look at license plate numbers and pull out two digit numbers and call out the card. When you're waiting in a line, go over the order in your mind. Or, give the stack numbers starting with the Ace of Clubs, then the Two of Clubs, etc. The key, in my opinion, is to NOT spend long hours studying in one sitting. But do go over your associations every day.

As some of you may know, I write a monthly article about memorized deck work for the e-zine: Smoke and Mirrors. I'm always interested in new applications, effects, and uses for memorized deck work. Feel free to PM or email me, either with questions or to share ideas. If you're really interested, I'll e-mail you copies of my back articles.
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Hi,

I am quite interested in learning the Joyal stack, but since English is not my native language and my English level is not very high, can I still learn the stack???

Andrew
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Absolutely!!
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I'm from Sweden and have Swedish as my first language, but I managed to learn the Joyal Stack pretty easy from Martin Joyal's great book.

If you can understand an English book then you are ready to learn the Joyal Stack. If you go for teh Joyal Stack you will find a very clever learning tool in the book, Six-Hour Memorized Deck. I have read several books about memorizing a deck but this system is the easiest.

Joyal's System has a very different approach to teaching the stack. Joyal's Stack uses 14 rules to learn the full deck. First it looks hard, but after a while you will find it's very easy to understand the concept. The book is very well written and in-depth.

The first time you will use the rules in your mind but after a while you can recall any stack number in blink and the rules will fade away.

To have a memorized deck in your head is like upgrading your IQ from 100 to 200. It feels like you have the devil in your mind! If you want to fool people extremely "badly," use a memo stack!

Most effects with a memorized deck are small miracles. Double lift, Pass etc. are useful but to use a memorized stack is extremely useful. If you manage to learn this stack, try also to learn some false shuffles and false cuts plus a good deck switch. Then you are set for killer card magic for the rest of your life.

I think this is the best thing in my card magic career. I performed for the local area magic club recently and I can tell you they looked very weird after some card effects with this stack.
Hehee...always fun to fool magicians...

IMPORTANT:
Never reveal that you have a memorized deck stack in your mind! If you have a normal IQ and a normal memory then you are ready for this! If you have a very good memory then you will learn this in a day. That's all.

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Thanks!!
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By the way, Martin is a member of The Café. So if you have concerns about your ability to learn his stack, you might consider sending him a PM with your questions.
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Hi everyone,

Thank you all for your comments on my book. They are really appreciated. Special thanks also to Kjellstrom for his great review.

If you allow me, I would like to take this opportunity to make a few comments.

First:
My native language is French, so it is possible that I do make some mistakes when writing in English. Sorry about that!

Second:
As far as I am concerned, tricks are a matter of taste and they produce different reactions depending in front of whom they are performed. There are good tricks published here and there that I don't like. The opposite is also true. And this is normal. In 1997, when my book was published, it received a review in M A G I C. The reviewer had a subjective judgment regarding the quality of the tricks, and started the rumor that the tricks appearing in the book were not that much. I do agree that they are not intended to be performed standing up in a restaurant. Since then, the rumor went on and many readers didn't even try to perform these tricks. I have been performing "The Poupart Trick" and its variation since 1993, and I have always received a strong reaction. When performing for a very small group, "Patton Pending" (or its impromptu version) always gave me good result. When addressing a large group, "Red, White, and Blue" raises emotions from the audience, as well as suspense, and finally applause. But again, I do agree, it's a matter of taste. (By the way, for those of you who do perform "Red, White, and Blue", I now glue an enveloppe containing one of the two "predictions" under the decorative box, and the other one on the back of its lid.)

Third:
Regarding the choice of a stack to memorize, here is what I say about it on my web site:
"There are four points to consider when you choose a stack to memorized:

a) Does it look like a shuffled deck?

b) How easily will you reach your goal of memorizing it?

c) Will it remain in your memory for a long time?

d) Are there any built-in tricks?

The way you prioritize these questions will lead you to the right stack to memorize."

Fourth:
Magicians are often asking which one is the best memorized deck. My answer is always the same (as I wrote in another forum): The stack you did memorized and the one you use is always the best one, no matter its name.

Thanks for the time you took to read what I had to say, and once more, thanks sincerely for you great support.

Martin
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Hi Martin!
I should thank you for a great Stack.
This is a probably the best thing in my card magic career. I use this Stack almost everyday...it works like a dream.

I discovered that if you combine this Stack with a Marked Deck then you will have a double power miracle deck.
I recommend Boris Wild's Marked Deck System, best! Camirand Magic sells his stuff.
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I know the Aronson Stack has a lot of built in features but I'm not really interested in a lot of memorized stack work. For this reason, Martin's stack sounds perfect for me. I have a friend that bought his book and memorized the stack in one night!

I was at a party full of laymen and was asked to do a trick. Another person turned to his wife and said, "You should show them that invisible deck trick you got in Vegas." I wasn't about to do the Invisible Deck but I did make a mental note NOT to do it for that very reason. Mike Close has a great Invisible Deck handling using a memorized deck. That trick alone is worth learning a stack to me if it's an easy stack to memorize. I'm just not interested in putting days and weeks into learning a stack that I only intend to do one trick for. Granted, I might do other tricks later but I think a stack I can learn in a few days is definitely something that I would, and will look into. Thanks for a great post, Kjellstrom, and thanks to Martin for his stack!
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