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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On 2010-05-21 19:56, Lawrence O wrote: He's talking about witnessing the effect itself, not just the result of the effect.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
? Things happen called causes and what happens as a result are called effects.
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Michael Kamen Inner circle Oakland, CA 1315 Posts |
Many of our illusions are never intended to be perceived by the audience. They are illusions of normalcy that occur between the initial condition, and the final condition that we call the effect. The more distant the illusion from the final condition, the less visual the magic.
In the case of what we call visual magic (I submit), significant amount of illusion is used quite close too, or even coincidental with the final condition, i.e., the perceived effect. I think this proximity of illusion to effect is the defining charcteristic of visual magic.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Apparently, my definition of "visual" is just a wee bit different than most of those posting above! The one exception is Whit Haydn's two posts.
To me, if the effect happens out of sight, in a tube, box, or bag, etc., it's not visual. If the effect happens totally in view, it's visual. Someone above said that one could not do a show with all visual effects! Well, I did, for 50 years. MOST of my show is/was visual effects. The TipCee (hydrostatic) Bottle is/was strong enough to close my high school program. I used tricks like the Serpentine Silk, Silk thru Mike Stand, Grant's One Two One Rope, Ovette's Repeat Knots, Percy Abbott's Perpetual Ball, Bill Williston's Ball Penetration Thru Silk, Karrell Fox's Ball 0 Matic, Color Change Silk Thru Hand, Hull's Elusive Silk Vanish, 20th Century Silk, Needle Penetration of Inflated Balloon, Jastrow Area Illusion (the boomerangs) Linking Rings Other tricks are "semi" visual. E.g.: Misers Dream. (Misers Dream is partly visual, and partly aural.) I even did a tactile illusion, with no props, and the audience did it themselves.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
P.S.
I forgot to mention the Professor's Nightmare, my YOYO (really a juggling bit, not magic) and, Fresh Fish Sold Here Today. The Lazy Magician, and the Paper Tear to Hat were used to help pad the 45 minute assembly show, for occasional evening 60 minute family shows. I did the Mardo/Sterling Egg Bag, but, don't consider it a visual, because the egg disappears from inside the bag. I did paper balls over the kid's head, and, a brief sponge ball routine, in high schools, in place of the egg bag. Oh! the G.W. Hunter shoelace knot, was part of the rope routine!
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Jul 16, 2007, peppermeat2000 wrote: I would imagine, putting something (someone) in a box, closing it, opening it to show a change would NOT be considered "visual." Before anyone brings up "Metamorphoses," the "visual" nature of that trick is increased by the lack of time the person on top of the box is behind the curtain. Doug Henning made it a much more visible trick by cutting down the time, the Pendragons made it even more so by making it appear there IS no time behind the curtain. (Toss the curtain up, rip the curtain apart in a split second.)
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I agree, Ed! I met Doug when he was in his late teens. We corresponded. For about five years we would meet at Abbott's Get Together. Denny Loomis, Gene Anderson, Karrell Fox, et al, would stay with Jerry Conklin, and we had "our own little convention".
Doug really understood how to make his presentation, dramatic! TEMPO, TIMING, & TIME! Doug had done the sub trunk for a "few" years, before, he was "discovered"! Being young and athletic, his TIMING, IMO, too, really made the trick "seem more visible"! ("It aint WHAT ya do, it' HOW ya do it!") Ditto, the Pendragons! The EFFECT is what the spectator(s) PERCEIVE! (The spectator's experience, intelligence and, IMAGINATION, are all combined to create his/their PERCEPTION! Therefore, everyone in the audience, perceives a "different" show! Truly, the "magic" is in the spectator(s) mind(s)!!!
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Legend is that he got the girl from "The Magic Show" in rehearsal studio with the Sub Trunk and said; "You're going to hate me. We're going to do this so often, you're going to hate it AND me for putting you through it. But it's going to be worth it when you see the effect on the audience!"
I think it's interesting that Houdini and the Pendragons have the magician in the trunk and switch places with the assistant on top. DOUG had the assistant in the trunk and switch places with HIM standing on the trunk.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Dale Soules might have stories to tell: http://t2conline.com/no-longer-a-lion-ta......d-award/
Not sure that item, or the Mismade Woman are as visual as the Sword Suspension. She was the assistant for those items in that show.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2017, Dick Oslund wrote: So, I would not consider the Stack of Boxes to be VISUAL. --The trick "happens" inside of boxes. Almost any levitation would need to be VISUAL. (Even ASRAH, could qualify, as the spectators "perceive" what they think is a person, floating. Then that "person" disappears! I suppose that it could be argued that they do not see a person, floating, and, a person disappearing.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Quote: On Apr 2, 2017, Dick Oslund wrote:
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I'll retype the final two paragraphs of my reply to Ed Rhodes' post above.
The EFFECT is what the spectator(s) perceive. The spectator(s) experience, intelligence, and imagination, are all combined to create his/her/their perception. Therefore, everyone in the audience perceives a different show.
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Doc Svengali New user 66 Posts |
I would agree with Dick and Pop on the definition of visual magic: The magic seems to occur in plain sight, in full view of the audience, without cover. The change seems to be instantaneous and visible. However, there are degrees of "visualness" of the magic. Some effects are almost always considered visual, such as the linking rings, even though there is considerable variation in how apparently "in plain sight" the penetrations are. Sometimes the spectators are aware that the magician's hands block their view of what is happening. At other times, the linking and unlinking (or penetrations) appears to be visible in plain view without cover - examples of linking and unlinking "in plain sight" include Capehart's Impossible Link, the Blocked Link, the Ninja link, Vernon's and Miller's Pull Through, the Triple Unlink featured by Ross, McBride, Capehart and Levent, the Laurant crash link, various forms of toss linking, and the classic crash link of Vernon and Miller. Because the magic is seen to happen before their eyes, these elements are especially powerful and convincing magic, which tends to explode the viewers hypotheses about how it is done.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
They also claim that all magic happens in the mind and so then when visual magic appears to be visible in plain view without cover, is it happening in an open mind as opposed to a closed mind?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Thanks! Doc Svengali!
I would like to re-stress the point that everyone in the audience perceives, according to their own imagination, intelligence, and, experience. Therefore, everyone's perception will vary. Two witnesses in a court room will describe the "incident" from different view points, although they were standing side by side, when the event happened.
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