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magicboy111 New user somewhere in Idaho 25 Posts |
Hello Everyone,
I am aware of a few types of whole deck orders, such as the Si Stebbins, but were wondering if anyone knew of any else. Actually, I know you guys know some deck orders, but the question is, will you share them?...lol. Oh, and about the 8 kings or whatever stack, I used to know this one, with the little story that goes along with it to help remember it, anyone know the order/story? Thanks a Million guys, Corey |
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andyhurst New user Somerset, UK 64 Posts |
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On 2002-02-09 15:35, magicboy111 wrote: You should buy some basic card magic books. Most will have this information. |
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martinkaplan Special user Los Angeles 562 Posts |
Check out Richard Osterlind's Breakthrough Card System published by Jeff Busby and available from dennymagic.com.
-Marty |
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Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts |
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On 2002-02-09 15:35, magicboy111 wrote: Corey, You might be referring to: "Eight kings threatened to save ninety-five queens for one sick knave." Use Stebbins suit rotation with it.
"Saját légpárnás tele van angolnák."
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magicboy111 New user somewhere in Idaho 25 Posts |
Thanks A lot Geoff!
Thanks for the help, hoping someone would really help me!... lol. Thanks again. Corey |
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Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
Buy the six hour memorized deck book by Joyal. You get a memorized deck as well as some other stack info that you can explore at your leisure.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
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Joe M. Turner Loyal user Atlanta, Georgia 248 Posts |
The memorized/stacked deck order that I use was developed by Bob Klase. It retains several of the spelling features of the Aronson stack, but instead of a lot of built in poker deals, it allows you to get to red/black order or put the 4 aces together with a sequence of faro shuffles. One sequence of faro shuffles puts you in position to do Daryl's Double Dazzling Triumph.
It's the only system I've needed so far. The only thing that might make me switch is that Tamariz's memorized stack can be achieved with a specific shuffle sequence starting at new deck order. By the way -- if you use the Si Stebbins order for anything, you need to check out Darwin Ortiz's "The Si Stebbins Secret" in his book "At the Card Table." A *very* handy thing to know! Best, Joe |
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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
I have a question which I thought belonged in this thread.
I have recently found the motivation to start memorising a deck. I have chosen Aronson's. I started learning it without knowing about the mnemonics. then recently stumbled across http://www.simonaronson.com/quizzer.htm I was wondering if anyone here would mind explaining exactly how this mnemonic system works. I cannot figure it out for the life of me. If you'd rather not explain it out here, then you can PM me. If you'd rather not explain it at all, I'll understand. Many thanks, Gonz :carrot:
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
Mnemonic systems all pretty much work the same way. You associate a word with the things you are trying to remember. For example, assume, as in the Aronson Stack, you're trying to remember a card and its position in the stack. The word "drink" represents the KD, and the word "tire" represents the number 14. So you try to picture, as vividly as possible, a king wearing a big diamond, but drinking from an old tire. This association is much more easily remembered than trying to remember simply which card happens to fall at number 14.
I would highly recommend, if you are at all serious about learning Simon's stack, that you buy his book, "Bound to Please," which includes not only the stack, but all the word associations (and explains the system behind those words), as well as a ton of outstanding effects with the stack and some other great material. It is worth many times the investment.
"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks." - Scott F. Guinn
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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
That's great (scott).
Thanks a lot. (hey, that just rhymed) It was the capitalising of certain letters that got me with this system. You're right. I should buy the book. Thanks again, Gonz :carrot:
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
The capitalizing of the letters is because those letters stand for a number: T=1, N=2, M=3, R=4, etc. So "TiRe" = 14.
Again, this is completely explained in the book.
"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks." - Scott F. Guinn
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Hi,
I use a system of Mnemonics for cards based on the Domonic O'Brien system as follows First alocate each number a letter 1 (ace) = a 2 = b 3 = c 4 = d 5 = e 6 = s 7 = g 8 = h 9 = n 10 = t Jack = j Queen = q or a person (I will explain later) King = k these are the letters I use above. now the suits are C = club, H = heart. D = diamond, s = spades you now need to think of people for each card for example the ace of hearts = AH for me Adolf Hitler Six of clubs = SC Sean Connery (James Bond) Nine of clubs = NC Naomi Cambell Try to give the characters life/action when you picture them once you have a character for each card. you need a 52 point map (easier than you think) I always start position 1 in bed, so I get out of bed, go to the bedroom door, on the landing is position 2 the next bedroom is pos 3 and so on, out of my house into my street position 9, at the fish and chip shop position 10. Just pick points on a logical route that you might walk from your home. once you have the rout in your mind 100% your in business Shuffle a deck turn over the top card, let's say it's 9c in your mind imagine waking up in bed (position 1) next to Naomi Campbell (9c) This process is continued for all cards and positions. This may seem like a bit of work but actually it is quite easy and once you have it you can remember any deck in under 5 mins easy phillip |
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Burt Yaroch Inner circle Dallas,TX 1097 Posts |
Jeese this sounds like an awful lot of work for a small return. Or are the effects you can do with a memorized stack really fantastic magic?
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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
Thank you so much for that, Philip, it's a terrific help.
Yak, the effect that inspired me to memorise a deck came from Aronson's "Try the Impossible" A sepctator freely names ANY card. A second spectator freely touches the back of any card. It's the card the first spectator named. I really liked the sound of this and it is exactly the type of trick I adore. I am now trying to memorise a deck because of it. There are others, too. But this is my personal fave that I have read up on. Thanks again Scott and Philip, Gonz :carrot:
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Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts |
For a spectator-shuffled, memorized deck trick that is instantaneous and takes absolutely NO memorization of ANY kind whatsoever and yet looks completely honest, look no farther than Sid Fleischman's "Flash Mnemonics" in his marvelous and completely-underrated book "The Charlatan's Handbook." It's based on a bogus explanation of "The Mayfly Stack" which is just plausible enough to be believed by your audience.
I use it in my restaurant work and all my audience can say is "Wow." Try it at the next magic club meeting, attributing the underlying mechanics to Harry Lorayne's well-known memory system, and you'll have a killer effect that'll fry all but the most well-read brethren. HA!
"Saját légpárnás tele van angolnák."
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Joe M. Turner Loyal user Atlanta, Georgia 248 Posts |
I hate it when magicians talk about Sid Fleischman's book in public.
The fewer people who read it, the better. JMT |
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magicboy111 New user somewhere in Idaho 25 Posts |
Well,
Thanks for all of the help guys, although I am low on cash at the moment (hey, I'm only 15!), It is still helpful... Your Friend In MAGIC, Corey |
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John Pezzullo Veteran user Sydney AUSTRALIA 354 Posts |
Joe,
Will you stop talking about Sid Fleischman's book "The Charlatan's Handbook" that was published back in 1993. Regards, John
"One arrow. One life."
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts |
I have used the Si Stebbins ever since I learned the Si Stebbins Secret from Darwin Ortiz's book "At The Card Table". There is a lot you can do with the Si Stebbins.
I don't use any of the memorized stacks but from what I understand, Simon Aronson's is supposed to be the best one (or at least worthy of attention). Depending on what you want to accomplish in magic, I think that it is worth the time to use one of the stacks (either cyclical or memorized). You can do some really powerful effects with little to no control over the deck.
ME
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Munskin Loyal user Cheshire, UK 297 Posts |
I was just wondering why nobody saw fit to mention the 'Nikola' system. Is it because it has been superceded by todays more modern alternatives, or has it just been forgotten? It's just, after seeing it again, it looks pretty useful.
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