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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
What are the odds, that in a restaurant that has a magician, a party books a table and they also hire a magician. I mean....most people, unless it's a kids birthday, wouldn't think to hire a magician.
It's so utterly fantastic, it's like it was made up. And the manager, not knowing the private party had hired a magician, asked him to leave? That's so strange. I could see if they brought in their own bartender....but they were paying guests and hired a magician ( still, I find that so strange ). And...people left the private party to be entertained by another magician. This is so amazing. And this fellow was throwing a ball at the ceiling to expose card to ceiling, as if just saying it's wax wouldn't do that? I guess if the Restaurant Magician had a contract and in that it stated guests may not hire a magician to entertain them, then...well...can you imagine trying to get a restaurant gig and presenting a contract with that clause? Maybe it's just me. But....what an amazing story......
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Christopher...
WHY ON EARTH would I make up such an outrageous tale? For my own entertainment? There's no way I'm that creative. Sometimes truth is crazier than fiction!!!
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Lyle, there is no agree to disagree. You solicited his client. Plain and simple.
I don't give a rats hind parts, what your ascribed "intent" was in doing so it was out of line. Why not take something away from the experience and actually learn something instead of trying to justify bad behavior. As Santa said, they knew full well you were there already. If she wanted your card she most certainly would have asked for it. If your intent was NOT to take the client then what was it? What is giving a card to someone supposed to accomplish anyhow? OF COURSE you wanted her. She had a history of hiring magicians, she got a bad one, and you wanted her as a client plain and simple. "Agree to disagree"? Sorry but you need to at least admit what your intent was as it was painfully obvious. The guy was outrageous, lucky for you. What if they guy had been a true professional and did an "adequate" job for his client and you had done the same thing? You still havn't answered how YOU would feel if someone did that to you.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Danny,
Ok...I'll bite. If I walked into a restaurant to perform for a group and saw that the place already had a Magician, then I would question why I was called to perform in the first place. I would feel very awkward being there as I would feel like I'm invading anothers territority. That being said, if I found out that the magician had provided his card to them, I wouldn't have any problem with that BECUASE I would have done the same thing in their shoes (as I did). I would think "it's their restaurant, it's their gig, they were well within their right to do so." I would be mad however if I walked into a restaurant to perform (no house Magician performing) and a guest of the restaurant (who just happened to be a magician) saw me performing for the group and then after my show went to my client to sell themself, then yes...I would be pretty hacked off! Apples to oranges my friend. I have no problem learning from my mistakes...but in this case, I feel as I did nothing to provoke this person, I acted as pro as I could by telling the client it was no big deal and walked off to entertain the rest of the house, ignored (for as long as I could) the actions of this person even though I knew he was trashing me and my act as well as trying to expose an effect to the audience that I did. Since this guy was into the AJ style of insult magic, I keep trying to tell myself that maybe it was all just part of his act and that he was harmless. But I don't think so....????
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Lyle maybe your confused. It is not YOUR restaurant, you are an employee.
I see your point, but the "client" was who was solicited, that is what makes it wrong in spades. Posted: Aug 20, 2007 12:36am Maybe we have a different definition of "stealing a client" and that is the problem. When you hand someone a card and tell them to go to your web page and use you next time to "save them some money", well it is pretty clear.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
It's dog eat dog in the business world. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you're a restaurant performer and have great routines, and are learning new things, AND have built a relationship not only with the regular customrs, but upper management, you have no worries about someone else sending in promotional material or handing out a business card. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING!!! I can't believe some of you who think that once you get a gig that it's binding for life unless you decide to relinquish the role that no one can even think of offering their services as well. LOL, very laughable. Is there a way to solicit business away from someone else, but in a professional acceptable manner? Yes. If you disagree with me, ask any CEO of any major company. Thanks for playing Danny.
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Well, I'm glad that you see my point (as I can see yours). I guess that's better than nothing.
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Lunatik we are speaking only of acting like a professional and nothing more.
Glad to see you completely miss the point. Posted: Aug 20, 2007 12:43am All that being said people came into Schuliens each and every night to drop off cards, promo packs and so forth. Not a problem as I see it as we used SO many guys it did make sense to do so. Just another situation in which it is NOWHERE near wrong.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
I just expounded, that's all. Some of your points are valid, while others I disagree with. At anyrate, good topic.
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Danny,
So if I'm reading you correctly, you belive that I acted pro EXCEPT you think I broke my own rule and tried to steal this guys future business? I guess I'll have to accept that since it's obvious that my attempts to convince you otherwise have failed.
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
You seem to have a handle on the point.
Your "explination" is meaningless, your "actions" are what have dictated my opinion.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Actions don't always override intentions. There are errors in your thought process. I'm going to sleep, I'll post more tomorrow afternoon.
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Heading off to slumber as well! More later...
In Mystery,
Christopher Lyle Magician, Comic, Daredevil, and Balloon Twisting Genius For a Good Time...CLICK HERE! |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
Any kind of businessman give his card to anybody and everybody, in any type of situation, everywhere. that would be the point of having business cards.
burger king advertises on the same channels as McDonalds. Coke and Pepsi, Bud Light and Coors Light. face it, business is business, competition is competition, and if you have a product that you think people should know about...you let them know about it. all of them. if this guy really was that big of a jerk, those people deserve to know there are others out there who are better worth their time and money. it is funny to think that handing out a business card is a sin... "I am not gonna put a gas station here cuz that guy across the street already sells gas." LOL drive around town. you'll see what I mean. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
And you guys wonder why magicians are thought of as hacks?
You don't recall the "insurance salesman" story from earlier in the thread? I guess I am tired of talking about ethics in a cathouse. I am sorry to have bothered all of you with a proper way to behave, I will see myself out of the conversation.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
And you think if "The great Atzwhole" showed up and did his schtick as lyle said he did, that those people would ever hire a magician again.
No. what you are talking is monopoly which is not ethical in business as far as I know. (you'll be back.) |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2007-08-19 23:55, lylemagic wrote: I guess it's so outrageous, I have trouble believing it. If it happened to me, I would not care if they hired someone. I don't own the restaurant. Unless they have rules "the house books all entertainment" I don't see why the manager there would even care. I'm there to make guests happy. If the guy they hired was so bad, it makes you look good to your management.
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5dse New user 11 Posts |
You have caller ID (who doesn't these days). File a report with your local Police and have a TRO placed on the guy. There is a clear threat...
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
Yeah...what is this guys name
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
Lyle,
I think you handled things well but seeing what happened I wouldn't give my card out next time. I would of excused myself quickly and wished them a good time. I've been on both ends of that story. I have performed where other magicians were and they have come into my restaurant and performed (Yes Danny I know I don't own the restuarant but it is the restaurant I perform in) Here is one suggestion. I always make sure I introduce myself to the other magician and let him know my situation there. Maybe even invite him to stay for a drink after your shift if time permits. This gives you a better judge of the guys character rather then hearing it second hand from the customers. When I am asked to perform in a restuarant I always make sure I call the restuarant to make sure that my coming in there is ok. I don't believe there is any reason to take another magicians job away from him. If he was there first and has a problem with me then then I will honor that and walk away. There are plenty of fish in the sea. I have a similar situation coming up next month. A family has an annual party every summer they have the same magician perform for the kids every year. But after seeing me perform at my restuarant they want to hire me to perform for the adults. Sounds like this has been this guys gig for a few years. I will make a point of contacting him and seeing how he feels about me performing at the same party. We sound like very different performers as I seldom do kids shows so I think it should work out allright. We will see. It will be interesting. Outdoors with a live band too. yikes! |
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