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DylanTolly New user Australia 94 Posts |
If I was in the situation I don't believe I would have handed the lady my business card. To me it is very obvious that someone could get upset about it. I do believe it is an unethical move, but then again people have different values and views on ethics.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Yes, everyone owes you guys the world. once you get a gig, the only way to lose it is if you voluntarily quit. lol, get over yourselves guys. ok, I need to use the restroom, I almost P*ss** my pants reading some of this.
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 06:34, lunatik wrote: So how much experience do you have in restuarants? Please fill us in on what magic work you do and how old are you? |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
How much experience do you have in the REAL business world? I'm a close up magician, 18yrs experience, 34 yrs old. wait, I better get an avatar setup and a website going LOL. I know 5 tricks total. I do sponge balls, scotch & soda, ACR, Invisible Deck, and cups and balls. Once I got my job, I knew I was set for life. I know if another magician tries to steal my job, that I'll just call him unethical and he'll go running LOL. yeah, I have life whipped I'd say....
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 07:01, lunatik wrote: Do you have any proof of these claims? Your a bussiness man and no website? that's strange. You are 34 years old and you wet your pants. hmmm? Posted: Aug 21, 2007 7:23am Quote: On 2007-08-21 07:01, lunatik wrote: How much experience do you have in the REAL business world? I'm a close up magician, 18yrs experience, 34 yrs old. wait, I better get an avatar setup and a website going LOL. I know 5 tricks total. I do sponge balls, scotch & soda, ACR, Invisible Deck, and cups and balls. Once I got my job, I knew I was set for life. I know if another magician tries to steal my job, that I'll just call him unethical and he'll go running LOL. yeah, I have life whipped I'd say.... If you want us to take you seriously this is your moment to prove yourself. How much experience do you have doing magic in restaurants? Do you make your living solely with magic? Are you serious about only knowing those 5 tricks? Your 18 years experience are composed of what exactly? |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 03:54, kammagic wrote: Your analogy in no way relates to business sir. Therefore it was flawed, if analogous at all. But to try and relate it back to the original situation, the guy was just giving the lady his number, NOT hitting on her. No avatar, no profile, no website. No credibility. It seems, sir, that you are referring to magicsanta...not myself. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Okay, where is this secret profile that everyone is talking about because it can't be the one I see when I clicky on it. The only question I understand is 'interest', here, I'll go put something there if it works.
Posted: Aug 21, 2007 1:12pm I forgot my password so I'll answer the important questions you all need desperately to know here: ICQ Number: Huh? AIM: Not bad with a rifle Yahoo Messenger: huh? MSN Messenger: Huh? Web Site Address: When I moved I stopped using it, might get another if need be From: Well, I was born in Washington state Occupation: retired for now Interests: trout fishing There, now if I had a photo I could use as an avatat and knew how to put it up I would. I'm sure the above eases your troubled souls. |
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
Toomuchmagic and lunatik,
I have no problem with Magic Santa on this thread the problem is with you two. You two seem to think it is alright to move in on someones client. This is not professional behavior at all. It makes me question your magical background and professional performing experience. So please fill us in on who you are and what you do. 1. How old are you? 2. How long have you performed magic professionally? 3. What form af magic do you perform professionally? 4. Have you worked in restuarants on a regular basis? How many years? 5. Do you make your living only doing magic? 6. Are there any videos or pictures on the internet of you working? Please answer the questions above and tell us anything you feel would be pertinent to us knowing who you are. Because right now you really have no identity and therefore no credibility. Please fill us in. PS: toomuchmagic, When I click on your avatar the website link does not work. It is missing a letter. I added the letter and found your site. Well its an entertainment site that you are a part of. Not really your personal site. There is not really any info about you there other then dates you will perform. |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
You guys are being ridiculous. Kam is just asking for a little proof that some of you have any experience to speak from, and rightly so.
I have not been on here as much lately because I get sick of the "armchair magicians". Kam is a worker, some of you should give him a little respect. Lunatik, why are being such a smart ass? Kam is simply asking what kind of experience you have in our field. Where have you worked? When? Do you currently work? I am willing to bet that you have never even dealt with the type of situation at hand. You guys are talking smack about Kam asking for a website. Well, can you think of better "proof" that someone is a worker? I can't think of any modern business that doesn't have a page. Can you? Where is your page Mr. Business Savvy Lunatik? Surely you have one? If you don't want to post it here then PM me and Kam. Sorry to call you out but you are being a jerk. Santa, you must be retired because you have tallied a lot of posts in a short amount of time... |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 13:12, MagicSanta wrote: You're really something! (I mean that in a good way. Seriously, kudos: this one got me laughing!) |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
Or perhaps you can just give us your real names and the restaurants you perform at? At this point I will actually take the time to call the restaurants you say you work at, just to confirm. That is how sick I am of the "workers" on here...
In fact, I think this is a great idea! Think about it, people calling the restaurants to see when you are performing actually helps you, if you really do work there. Otherwise, it just exposes you. If we start doing this here, we will help the workers and weed out the liars. Anyone else with me? My restaurant info is on my website, feel free to call and make reservations... Im calling out all the "workers". If you don't like it, go to a different part of the Café... |
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
Toomuchmagic,
The only info about you at the website you supply is this: Street Performances by: Mike the Magic Dude Balloon Twisting & Comedy Magic July 14, July 28, August 4 -------------------------- If you are a street performer you are in the wrong forum. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 15:34, kammagic wrote: Odds are that he already knows that. Did you really post this for his benefit? |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
So let see those names and restaurants guys! It would also be nice to get the phone numbers of the restaurants, no need to make me work harder than I have to. lol
Some of you might think I am crazy for doing this but I just can't take it anymore! Time to figure out whos who! I wonder how many people will actually step up to the plate! I also wonder who will "disappear" from this thread now that they are being called out. Even Danny Doyle gave me phone numbers of the resorts he works at quite a while back when I called him out. He is for real. But what about the rest of you? Lets see em boys! You know how magic and genii have the section where you can see who is performing where? Well we need that here! |
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 15:45, S2000magician wrote: I posted it because he needs to give us more info then that. Maybe there is more info and I just couldn't find it. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well it is time to "reappear" on this thread just to clarify things NOT to contribute.
I don't have a personal web page. I know nobody is "calling me out" but I have to admit I kind of get behind the practice. The "armchair guys" are an annoyance at best. Hart, Kamm, Patrick, Santa (regardless of what he does not share) are WORKERS, I know this for a fact, not an opinion. The very idea that you can go and steal a client is what I was having a problem with and still do. I saw how there was NO changing their mind so I didn't want to keep banging my head on a rock. Kamm, regardless of philisophical approach differences we have, I havn't had problems with him at all. Hart, not a problem with him either. It is annoying how people "claim" to be things on the internet. So here is my big claim. I am a guy who shows up and does my job. Not the best, but hopefully not the worst. I have worked at restaurants for a LONG time, although do not get to do as much of it as I would like any more as other things get in the way. As Hart elluded to I work for a pretty big resort company. Performing, but the hypnosis show. NOT a multi faceted business man like others who quote "business ethisc" (a laughable term in the first place but not going to quibble) just a guy who does a job and gets his money. I personally would NEVER act as these guys seem to think it is ok. That must be because of my complete lacking in the education necessary to run a sucessfull company. I guess it is true, you can get further with a kind word and a gun, than with just a kind word.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
I have been in entertainment for over 15 years. Theater, television, music, & magic.
however, my background in magic is irrelevant to these points: 1. anti-competitive practices are frowned upon in any industry. Please read a business ethics book. I am pretty sure you can find that on wikipedia or any webpage relevant to business ethics. I am sorry but magic/entertainment is really no different from any other business. If you would like to explain to me (without chastising me for no reason) I would love to listen. 2. you can not create your own standards or rules and expect others to know and live by them. 3. The BIGGEST point I am trying to get across here is that in the story as we read it...Lyle did not "MOVE IN" on the other guys client. He left his business card. Posted: Aug 21, 2007 5:19pm I am not sure why I need to present a CV to disagree with your point, and why others may get away without one because they agree with you. |
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 17:15, toomuchmagic wrote: I'm sure Lyle gave out his card by impulse and looking back at it now he sees that it probably was not a good idea. If I were the outside guy and saw another magicians card at the table I was already hired to perform at I would of thought "What a jerk". I am sure the customers brought it up too. "Hey there is a magician that works here are you as good as him?" They love to do that when more then one magician is in the room. "Can you do the trick that he does?" blah, blah, blah. that's why when he found out that the table had hired a magician to perform at their table he should of said excuse me and wished them a good night and left as quickly as possible. He was in another magicians territory! You don't hang around and introduce yourself and you certainly don't give them your card which is a blatent attempt at getting bussiness from them. Your refusal to answer the questions inadvertantly answered the questions. If you had restuarant experience you would of said so. If you had been performing magic professionally for a long time you would of said that too. This forum is specifically for restuarant workers. I don't want to hear what some outsider thinks is right or wrong. I want to hear from the guys who have been there and done that. The real workers. My professor in college used to tell us that we could question or challenge anything he says but we better be able to back that up with experience and facts. I always respected and agreed with that. If you have the experience and knowledge to back up your statements I will listen to what you have to say. Since this is strickly a restaurant workers thread and a question specifically about working magic in a restuarant. Your input doesn't hold as much weight as the rest of us who have been there and done that for many years. There are many areas here at the Magic Café many of which I avoid because I do not have the experience or knowledge in those areas to be helpful. You need to find the thread that better fits your experience and knowledge. , Jonathan |
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toomuchmagic Special user 534 Posts |
My goodness you're giving me quite the headache. I was unaware of the ****ing contest that is going on in here.
Like I said. My experience is irrelevant to the points I am making. Since when does withholding or not offering information make it not so. You obviously do not take you professors word to heart when you accuse me of such things without experience and knowledge to back it up. If your experience and knowledge of magicians is that they are poor sports, whiny, catty, and think the world owes them a handshake and a pat on the back then you are correct in assuming that the other guy would be upset. I myself am only trying to point out (again) that a performer handing out a business card is neither unethical nor a crime. |
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kammagic Inner circle 1304 Posts |
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On 2007-08-21 18:11, toomuchmagic wrote: Handing out your bisiness card is a common business practice and is not a crime or unethical. But in the situation that Lyle presented, it was disrespectful to the other magician. Lets face it. You are not a restuarant worker. |
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