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One day someone showed me a way to take away someone's strength by performing really simple moves. I performed the trick for a few friends, and they were pretty impressed, but then I forgot about it. Now I am thinking this could be a great mentalist effect. I am wondering if this is a known effect or if any mentalists use that?

Basically the effect is this:

You ask someone to extend both arms horizontally on their side. Their body and their extended arms form a T. You then try to push down on one hand, asking them to resist. You can't push their hand down, or you really have to use a lot of force. Then you perform the move (I know two different ones), and again ask them to take the same position. Try as they may, they can't resist and it's really easy for you to push their hand down.

Anyone ever heard of that kind of stuff before?

No hypnotism, no trick, no stooge, nothing. Both times the position you and the spectator take is exactly the same. Like I said, it wasn't even originally shown to me by a magician. And to be honest I have no idea why this works, I just know the method and its results.
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Never, it sounds very nice. A fresh breath in my eyes. I'd love to test the method out Smile
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Kinesiology. Energy Testing.

Look for these words on the net if you want to know more.

And YES - I have used some of those things for doing some "mind-chains of energy" (something Jerome Finley would love Smile) and I am aware of only few other Mentalists using some of these things too.

Also, Bruce Bernstein had something on that line of thought but, if I recall correctly, was mostly dressing for the effect.
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Bruce Bernstein's effect is called "The Ritual" from his "Perception is Everything" comb-bound book.
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Ahhh...Mid Bullets beat me to it. Just for further detail, it's on Page 20 of "Perception is Everything". Highly recommended as with all of Bruce's other material.
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Also, you might search for, "Touch for Health" and "GeoTran" which incorporates kinesiology into it's model (Circles of Life, etc.)

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Read up on Lulu Hurst better known as The Georgia Magnet.

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All the tricks, many used in martial arts are in the Lulu Hurst, the magnetic girl books, I think there are two versions out there. All work on basic principles of physics and make it look like you take someone's strength away or that you have some incredible strength. One often used by martial artists is to sit on your knees on the floor, let someone bend over facing you with their hands on your shoulders to push you over. You just touch with your fingertips just barely above the bend of their elbow. Then you add more and more and more people pushing them from behind. Before long you have this huge line. Simple principle dealing with the incollapsibility of a triangle. But those tricks sure impress folks and I've seen them used in mentalist acts before.
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I "drain" people twice my size without any gimmicks or Hurst principles ;-) and yes I am being serious!
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Ah Looch ,I believe you are a martial arts practitioner,care to expand on this ?
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On 2007-09-12 02:15, looch wrote:
I "drain" people twice my size without any gimmicks or Hurst principles ;-) and yes I am being serious!


I do the same thing! And, yes, I'm not joking!
I suggest you to read... DIRECTIONAL MIND PATHS - Vol.1: Beyond The Veil Of Maya and also to read DANGEROUS - XXI Century Dual Reality Techniques
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Mark, its nothing to do with martial arts, Its actually a no method cheeky effect, I performed it to a room full of people at blackpool earlier this year, its not something I can release but it is a priciple that few really exploit.

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ps Paolo, ill give you a personal demonstration when we finally meet ;-) Im sure its something you will like
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Paulo, if you are draining are you feeding ,and if not where does it drain to? Only joking ( I
drained my main vein at that one ), work is soooo slow today...
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Stephen Ablett's Body Tricks has some great and practical ideas; it's available from the Lybrary.
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Cheers Looch ,hope to catch up with you at some point ,narrowly mised a trip with Mark Elsdon up to Notts recently but was holed up in a tent in Barmouth that weekend. The cheeky ones tend to provide major self satisfaction I,ve found.
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The 'move' is actually quite well known, so I hope this doesn't constitute exposure. After performing the first phase where they are able to demonstrate their full strength, what you do is turn them to face you, and with a sharp motion you lift your knee up so that your thigh is horizontal, and contacts them directly between theirs. If you have correctly positioned the spectator this will produce a strange disorienting sensation known in hypnotherapy circles as 'pain' focussed around their lower abdomen and between their legs. They will find it hard to resist your suggestions following this.

This technique is found in the little known book:
Common Assault and other Rapid Inductions by V.I O'Lence

Hope this is of some help.

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A version similar to what you are describing is on my site in The Wizards' Journal #4: The Power of Money. At the time I routined it, the movie "National Treasure" was making the rounds of theaters. "National Treasure II" is about to hit the screens, so it is probably good for a few more years.

The effect: This effect can take advantage of a popular movie many in your audience will have seen, "National Treasure." In that movie, mystic Masonic symbols found on the dollar bill are used in the plot, so people may be receptive to the idea that the bill also contains secret spells in the "Malthusian" tongue.

To demonstrate his spellbinding skills, the Witch or Wizard offers a simple demonstration. First, he has a Muggle volunteer demonstrate his dexterity by catching a crumpled up dollar bill. Then he asks the Muggle to smooth out the dollar bill and to read aloud the words on the bottom of the bill. Of course, they are "ONE DOLLAR." That is a spell, claims the Wizard.

He tells the Muggle to read the words backwards, saying them aloud to help him in this task: "RAL-LOD E-NO." In the ancient Malthusian tongue, that means "WEAKEN ME," explains the Wizard. The Wizard "proves" it with a little test that you'll have to read inside the article.

"I could leave you in this weakened state," says the Wizard, "but your wife (mother) might not like it, so look on the front of the dollar bill. There you will find the words 'LEGAL TENDER.' Just say them backwards, 'RED-NET LAG-EL.' In the Malthusian tongue, that means 'RESTORE MY STRENGTH.' Now the Muggle is able to accomplish the task of strength the Wizard used before.

The Wizard then follows up with a second demonstration of the 'weakness' spell. Once again,he proves the spell's power to take away the Muggle's strength and the power of the counter spell to restore his stength. The details of this test are also explained in the article.

"I feel I owe you something for participating in my demonstration," says the Wizard. "I shall place this dollar bill into an envelope for you to take home with you to remind you of the two spells you learned here today."

The Wizard seals the envelope and gives it to the Muggle. At some point the Muggle will tear open the envelope and will find only a piece of paper the size of a dollar bill and on the paper is written "By now, the spell I said to make you think this paper was a real dollar bill will have worn off and you can see at last the true power of magic spells! Thanks for helping me!" Of course it is signed with your Wizard name and if you are seeking other Wizard work, will have your contact information on it as well.
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The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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On 2007-09-12 09:43, markthorold wrote:
Cheers Looch ,hope to catch up with you at some point ,narrowly mised a trip with Mark Elsdon up to Notts recently but was holed up in a tent in Barmouth that weekend. The cheeky ones tend to provide major self satisfaction I,ve found.
Regards Mark


In that case mark, next time you see marc elsdon, ask him to tell you about it! he was there when I did it in blackpool. Its not a trick its an approach to thinking but I'm sure you will be buzzing with ideas afterwards. Ill let elsdon know that its cool.

all the best buddy
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Looch, so when are you going to release this?
is it for sale?
may I buy it?
since I also interetsted in this kind of Work

Now back to the Post

1st Phase: ask someone to starighten his dominant hand to the righ/left of his body (Half T Position) palm facing down

2nd Phase: while you place your hand on the joint beetween his palm and his arm, you tell the subject to resist whenever you push downward

3rd Pahse: ask the subject to say his Real name out loud in the form of first person (My name is....), then you push his hand downward while you ask him to resist, don't jerk his hand please!

4th Phase: ask the subject to say ANOTHER person name out loud in the form of first person (My name is....), then you push his hand downward while you ask him to resist, don't jerk his hand please!, NOW You will notice that whenever the verbal statement is not in-line with the subject mind, then the strength will become weak

it's just like a lie detector, I use this in my therapy works, and yes, just like what PAOLO said, this is Called Kinesiology/Muscle Testing

Try it out

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"Mr" Looch ( I giggled at that thread ) youre a gent.Hope to catch up with you in near future.
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Thank you Looch. And I will show you my "Third Eye" Technique (I'm serious!)

Unless someone else will publish some of our secret techniques first...
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I "drain" people twice my size without any gimmicks or Hurst principles and yes I am being serious!


I do the same thing! And, yes, I'm not joking!

and id like to see both of you doing that for real..sound impossible but never say never
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If memory serves, Secrets of the AMazing Kreskin has some similar ideas and methods...good little book that is...

I remember sapping the strength from a very experienced kick-boxer and all round loonatic once in a smokey pub in central london, he had both hands pushing against my chest and couldn't move me a jot...i gave him his strength back later...he was sweating like a loon..i am quite a fair sized human being, but when I asked his mate to join in too, they had to sit down for a rest...

he contacted me next day asking if I could pop to his training, cos his sensei wanted to meet me..i'd dressed it all as the power of chi energy and how to control/absorb/produce it...
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I think folks are talking about Applied Kineisology. This is very different than Kinesiology, sometimes referred to as Academic Kineisology, an accepted scientific discipline.

Applied Kinesiology is in the realm of "alternative medicine" and has never, from what I can find, to pass a double blind study. It's use is highly controversial and not considered as valid at all in mainstream medicine. But it does make for an interesting presentational theme!
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If you make someone hold their arm out long enough, it will easily tire, bigger people tire quicker.
Another thing people don't realise is we have two sets of muscles governing all actions. Simply put, when you push something, you have antagonistic muscles pulling. If the subject is untrained then you can use this to magical effect. The harder they try, the quickerthey will fail.
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The Ionized Bracelets you can buy for pain, they use this demo as part of their selling feature. It is impressive.
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Never, it sounds very nice. A fresh breath in my eyes. I'd love to test the method out Smile

Never? For ever.
I have a routine that combined a lot of stuff.
I showed it in Mindvention 3 years ago and in Blacpool also.
Very easy to do, many magicians are not impressed but the real people frick out.

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Wow this thread is quite old (4 years) , but glad it's brought up again.

I said "never" as in..I've never tried out something like it before...

But I've fell in love with it about 2 years ago.


I use two methods to "drain their energy"

I extend my arms and place my hand on their shoulders and tell them to pull down on my elbows down, they do and see how easy it is to do.

I then drain their energy and it's impossible for them to budge my elbows at all.

I did this to a body builder type guy when I was out performing when I was visiting San Diego.
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Then I have a spectator try to budge another spectators arm, I'm not involved at all physically.

This is in a book which I shall not name because I want to keep it quiet Smile.

This one I had the same body building guy to do his wife.
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I'd love to see your routine Lior.
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