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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 4:31pm
For some time I've been having an occasionally heated online debate concerning a British medium who claims to be able to materialize ectoplasmic phantoms in a dark seance room. Although I'm very open to the paranormal, I don't find this particular case to be convincing. The linchpin of the case is the method by which the medium is secured to his chair before each performance. As I understand it, his wrists are secured to the arms of the chair by two separate flex-cuffs, and his ankles are secured to the chair legs by two more flex-cuffs. (To be clear, his right arm is cuffed to the right armrest, his left arm to the left armrest, similar to a condemned man in an electric chair.) He is gagged. Then the lights go out, and eventually, in pitch darkness, various voices are heard (one at a time), and alleged "spirits" prowl the room (again, one at a time), interacting with the sitters by shaking hands, passing notes, etc. At the end of the seance, the lights come up, and the medium is found in his chair, with the gag and the flex-cuffs in place as they were before.
Now, I am assuming that he escapes from the cuffs, ungags himself, impersonates the spirits, then resecures himself. But those who support this gentleman insist that this kind of escape would be impossible. Since there are people on this forum who are experts in escaping from flex-cuffs, I thought I would ask whether the trick, as I've described it, would be possible or impossible to pull off.
I should add that the chair was not provided by the medium; it has been examined, and the arms do not separate from the main body of the chair. The cuffs are supplied by the sitters, though I suppose it would be possible for the medium to substitute gimmicked cuffs via sleight of hand. (He is, however, subjected to a search before each perfomance; how thorough a search, I don't know.) In some performances a possible accomplice (the medium's wife) has been in the room, but in others the wife is absent; in those instances there seems to be no likely candidate for an accomplice. The room is windowless; it is searched before each performance; the door is locked from inside and blocked with an empty chair; the quarters are cramped, and there is little space to maneuver. Sitters often hold hands to form a circle; it would be difficult for anyone to leave the circle undetected, though a substitution of hands is perhaps possible. The medium has also performed in other venues, including private homes, using the available furniture. There is never any light; even infrared is forbidden. So far the organizers of these events have ignored my suggestion that they bring in a trined escape artist to secure the medium.
I have not personally witnessed one of these performances, but I believe my description is accurate. I'm not asking you for any trade secrets, just a general sense of whether an escapologist could free himself from these restraints in the dark. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 4:54pm
Why not have the cuffs supplied by a sitter - who is in fact a plant .........
I find geraniums nice this time of year!
But yes you can escape from zip ties ……. And you can get them from Cannons …… not sure how much you know about escapology so wont give you any more than that at the moment. But I believe it answers your question. If you read a bit you will know about cannons (the things that are used to fire big spherical types objects at the enemy) and will be able to find them and will find the cuffs listed…. It won’t take much for you to do.
You could pretend to be Houdini and demonstrate the escape for yourself to these people.
Who does the searching? How many sitters? How many are known to each other? Oh this is “Mr Smith” he is not really here EVERY night.
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin 
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Roslyn
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 5:09pm
Does the "medium" have his hands held during his performance?
If he does I have no idea how to substitute hands etc... however I'm confident that it would be possible to make the escape.
In fact I'm not really doing much tomorrow so I think I'll have a go as you described and will get back to you. I really can't see how it'd be a problem though.... if I don't get back to I seriously messed up and could you send someone round to let me out. Dave has my address 
Just one other question, is it his wrists or upper part of the lower arm that's restrained?
Also, are his legs restrained in any way?
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 5:17pm
Mmmmmmmm
I can feel his presents (he is getting a cuddly toy - its all squishy under tge paper adn squeeks!)........
and he says "yes my chuffing legs are tied you muppet!"
OK I lied I did not channel the alive medium ... (sounds like a XL to me) I hasd a clue .... it was when sauropod said "and his ankles are secured to the chair legs by two more flex-cuffs".
See I can red me!
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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Those who understand binary and .......
Those who do not!
Dave is ....
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And ......
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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 5:31pm
>Just one other question, is it his wrists or upper part of the lower arm that's restrained?
Good question. The only photo I have found is here (about one-quarter of the way down the page):
http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/keen/thompson.htm
Unfortunately, it's not a large pic, and not very clear. The cuffs appear to be about about halfway between wrist and elbow, I would say.
>Also, are his legs restrained in any way?
Yes, flex-cuffs are tied around his lower legs, securing him to the chair legs. These are clearly visible in the photo.
>Does the "medium" have his hands held during his performance? If he does I have no idea how to substitute hands etc...
No, his hands are not held. Supposedly physical contact with the medium can harm the "ectoplasm." It's the sitters who hold hands. I only mentioned substitution of hands because an accomplice among the sitters might conceivably use this method to leave the circle. I am doubtful of the accomplice hypothesis, however, since this medium performs before different groups with no overlapping members. Also, the people sit very close to each other, making it unlikely someone could leave the circle without being caught.
>But yes you can escape from zip ties ……. And you can get them from Cannons …… not sure how much you know about escapology so wont give you any more than that at the moment.
My impression is that the cuffed person's hands have to be close together so that he can use one hand to open the zip tie on the opposite wrist. That would not seem to be possible in this case. Or am I entirely wrong?
Anyway, I'll look into Cannon's. Thanks for the tip.
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Moxahalla
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 5:32pm
The Flex-cuffs supplied by the Cannons - have been been expertly gimmicked before being sold...
To guard against this Medium using similar flex-cuffs, I suggest:
*Have them first examined and (secretly) MARKED - to avoid them being switched later on.
*Be sure to test the flex-cuffs after they are on his wrists (don't rely on the prior examination only)
The possibility that the flex-cuffs are being supplied by a confederate-friend of the medium, must be considered.
So, why flex-cuffs? Does he INSIST they be used?...if so, that's suspicious.
If the Medium wants to prove that he's not assisting the manisfestations...then, why not simply HANDCUFF & LEGIRON him to the arms & legs of the chair? (American S&W #94 or 104s; or Chubb "Escorts", or any other NON-standard handcuff models...should put an end to his "ghosts").
Of course, the Medium could be the misdirection to the whole scenario: he's not doing a thing to make the ghosts appear...but a seen or UNseen confederate IS.
This is an interesting topic. Please keep us updated.
Has the British Magic Circle investigated this?
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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 6:04pm
>Has the British Magic Circle investigated this?
No. These seances are taking place mainly in Sydney, Australia, though the medium did tour briefly in the UK.
I live in the USA, by the way. I have not participated in these seances (and I doubt I would be allowed to, given the extreme hostility that my online criticisms have evoked).
>So, why flex-cuffs? Does he INSIST they be used?...if so, that's suspicious.
As far as I know, he has been secured only by flex-cuffs. I assume this is at the medium's insistence. I have suggested using other retraints. A commenter on my blog suggested tying the medium with many short lengths of rope, each of a different color (presumably it would be hard to retie the ropes in the correct pattern in the dark). I have also recommended bringing in an escape artist to secure the medium. My suggestions have been ignored.
I note that the gimmicked flex-cuffs sold by Cannon's seem to require the user to cross his wrists before being tied. I assume this is so he can use twist his arms and use one hand to undo the cuffs. But this medium has his wrists (or forearms) secured separately, one to each arm of the chair. This is the part of the trick (if it is a trick) that bothers me, since his access to the cuffs would seem to be limited, at best. It is really the only reason I hesitate to declare it an outright fraud. Am I wrong to consider the positioning of his hands to be a big deal?
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Kevin Connolly
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 6:17pm
Shhh. Don't tell anyone. The arms of the chairs may be the key.
Please visit my website.
www.houdinihimself.com
Always looking buy or trade for original Houdini, Hardeen and escape artist items. I'm interested in books, pitchbooks and ephemera. Email hhoudini@optonline.net
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Moxahalla
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 6:32pm
Not wanting a magician or a qualified escape artist to investigate - is VERY suspicious (what is the Medium afraid they'd discover?...Oh I know - the "negative energy" from the skeptical magician would be bad). Always some excuse!
Altho, it may not be the case here - usually, the ARMS of the chair would be the first things that need to be examined: allowing the Medium's arms to remain tied to the chair-arms, yet allowing the chair-arms to unattach from the chair itself.
To properly examine the chair, one would have to actually SIT in it and then examine it's arms & legs (guarding against the possibility that the body-WEIGHT of the Medium activates a mechanism inside the chair, which releases the chair-arms). (Don't laugh - that's how one escape prop in the Owens catalog operates).
The whole scenario screams of theatrics. My opinion: total fraud.
Houdini is rolling in his grave...things have changed very little since his time. People will always want to believe.
Oh yeah - Get the WIFE outta the room!!!
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Moxahalla
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 6:43pm
Shhh. Don't tell anyone. The arms of the chairs may be the key.
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Kevin: Great minds - think alike 
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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 12, 2007 9:27pm
I'm familiar with the possibility of removing the arms of the chair, but I'm doubtful that it's the explanation here. For one thing, the chair is not supplied by the medium. And he performs in different venues, including private homes, using the available furniture.
Here is a description of the chair used in one seance (at a different location from more recent events):
>The chair (owned by DF [the homeowner]) in which the medium sat was an old-fashioned upholstered, heavy, wooden construction which I examined carefully, having regard to a claim by the magician Ian Rowland, when commenting on television on [the medium] Thompson’s reputed feats, that this could be done by illusionists when the ends of the chair arms were not securely connected to the posts, thereby enabling the medium to raise his arms from the post and slip the cable ties off his arms: a suggestion I examine later. I could find no loose connections, and was unable to move the arms or see or feel anything abnormal underneath the chair.
Admittedly, the investigator in this case apparently did not sit in the chair, but since it was owned by the homeowner, it would seem unlikely to be gimmicked (unless the homeowner was an accomplice - doubtful, I think).
From the same article, here is a description of the medium being tied. The obvious security breach is that his wife did the tying! But in more recent seances, she has not been involved.
>The chair was placed inside the open cabinet, and the medium was strapped into it by means of plastic tree ties. This was effected by Bianca [the wife] under my close supervision. I was invited to examine the ties which were already permanently fixed to the legs and arms of the chair, both before and after the fixing. The straps were placed through these permanent fixings, and pulled tight, and then secured with thin plastic ties with the ends trimmed off, so that the only way to release the bond was to cut it. The straps were so tightly pulled that I was unable to intrude even a finger. Indeed, the medium subsequently was heard to complain that his wife had been so enthusiastic as to cause him discomfort. Bianca tied a black gag securely round the medium’s head through his open mouth, thereby preventing recognisable speech. I examined the gag and the knot behind the head. Finally the several buttons on the front of medium’s cardigan were tied into the buttonholes with thin black strips of plastic. These are one-way (self-locking) cable ties, incapable of being untied. They have to be cut before a button can be released.
The detail about the cardigan is significant because the cardigan was found to be reversed when the lights came up, but the ties were still in place.
Here is the investigator's conclusion:
>The nature of the ties would have prevented the medium, no matter how strong or agile, from escaping his bonds without first managing to cut the ties. Even had he been able to do so, he could not have regained his seat and retied the knots unaided, employing a new set of uncut ties, unless he had been helped by someone able to work deftly, accurately and swiftly in pitch dark. No-one in the séance room could have attempted that without ready detection. Moreover my careful examination of the chair showed no sign of any movable join. Finally, the reversal of the medium’s cardigan while he was still bonded to his seat defies normal explanation.
All quotes are from this aricle: http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/keen/thompson.htm
I am skeptical of this medium for various reasons, but so far I haven't found any knowlegeable person willing to say that he could release himself, alone and unaided, from the ties and then retie himself. With an accomplice? Yes. With a gimmicked chair? Yes. But if we assume, for the sake of argument, that there is no accomplice and no gimmicked chair, it seems much harder to make a case for fraud.
Or am I wrong?
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Roslyn
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 4:50am
First of all apologies for the daft question regarding the mediums legs being bound... I actually re-read the post twice and missed it both time (it was a long day).
My only other question is this.
I'm a little bothered by the fact that sometimes the medium's wife is there are sometimes she isn't. On the times when she is there she ties him to a borrowed chair. On the times she isn't there, does he still use a borrowed chair?
The way I'm thinking at the moment is he either uses his wife to do the tying (in which case she is the gimmick). Or if he doesn't use his wife the chair is the gimmick.
Then in publicity he can make a song and dance about either: 1) I used a borrowed chair; or 2) I had someone I don't know bind me.
Then when people read the articles they will remember that he used a borrowed chair AND had someone unknown to him bind his arms.
My other little niggle is has any of the sitters seen him more than once in different places?
If so what was the same / different???
Ros
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Roslyn
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 5:03am
HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
Got it!!
This is great.
No gimmicks, no worries... just did it at home.
The secret is revealed in the photo of the medium sat in the chair.
I think its a cool escape... but that's what it is, an escape. I'm gonna work on it and use it myself
Add some other bits and it'll be something that could play quite huge.
I think I'll even do it full view 
Ros
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 5:23am
Ros I am with you on the idea of "chair" or "wife" being the gimmick in different situations. I read the account above VERY carefully and noticed this:-
"Which were already permanently fixed to the legs and arms of the chair"
The clue to me is PERMANENTLY fixed tot he chair. How many people with this guy visiting them would be willing to have these ties permanently fixed to the chair?
Also spotted this “tended by the medium’s wife.” About the tape recorder in the first picture. Is there any reason why there couldn’t be a pair of night vision goggles in there somewhere? Houdini managed to hide his tools in the cell he was escaping from …. And the cell be searched! This is nothing new.
I am 100% sure it is an escape …. (But won’t rule out the accomplice theory either).
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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Apache
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 8:33am
Ros is right. No gimmicks. I thought it reading Sauropods first post. Picture makes thing clear. There's even two ways to escape. There would be good chance to Ros make some publicity with this case. 
-Jari-
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 8:44am
I was htinking that about publicity for Ros - especially wiht WEAR coming up as well ..... only thing is the guy is in australia? I think that's what they said earlier in the topoic.
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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Apache
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 9:32am
Sorry, I just read "British" at start post. Sidney, Australia is the place. Ros you have to make trip.
-Jari-
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Roslyn
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 10:16am
Hi guys,
He's only doing a flippin' UK tour!!!
AND its gonna be during October!
Now, how can I get the most out of this?
I've not done any major publicity before, so if anyone has any ideas please help me
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gsidhe
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 10:27am
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On 2007-09-12 18:04, sauropod wrote:
I note that the gimmicked flex-cuffs sold by Cannon's seem to require the user to cross his wrists before being tied. I assume this is so he can use twist his arms and use one hand to undo the cuffs. But this medium has his wrists (or forearms) secured separately, one to each arm of the chair. This is the part of the trick (if it is a trick) that bothers me, since his access to the cuffs would seem to be limited, at best. It is really the only reason I hesitate to declare it an outright fraud. Am I wrong to consider the positioning of his hands to be a big deal?
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Actually, the flex cuffs from Cannon's require the wrists to be crossed in order to hold the ties on. Unless you hold them correctly, they can be loosened very easily. I've figured out a way that they could be used to tie the wrists to the chair, but it is not the method he is using.
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Harley Newman
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 10:46am
First, you find his schedule. Then, you contact the newspapers in the towns he's playing. It's reasonably certain that at least one town will have somebody who bites. It'll take some talking, but if you can expose him before he hits a town, you'll be able to sit back and chuckle. It won't stop the shuteyes from believing, but it could raise some fun problems for him.
Be prepared to do a reading or two, at the event. But figure a way to expose that too, without giving it away. It'd be nice if this guy went home with less money than his plane ticket cost.
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 11:01am
NIce idea HArley ....
hi Ros we are fairly close may be we could tag team him? have some fun raise some awareness for WEAR.
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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David / straitjacket
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 11:03am
A few people have noted that they are sceptical of this medium for various technical reasons. Though relevant to figuring out his methods, these reason's have nothing to do why I am sceptical. I am sceptical because, well, without trickery, such things are not possible and never have been that's enough of a reason for me. No one comes back to visit after they die. I don't need any more complicated a reason than that.
Ros, send me a PM, I would love to shut this guy down too. Forget publicity, I just can't stand these clowns.
http://www.davidescapes.com
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David / straitjacket
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 11:11am
Just a quick note. Reading between the lines I would say that the person writing the article is in on the act. Note how he goes on about his right thumb, how it was fine before the medium performed, then afterwards he had an unexplained cut (the writer, not the medium). Again, since we know that thumbs don't magically cut themselves, and that spirits don't appear with knives to slash you up; so he must:
A) Have gotten the cut by accident at some point during the seance and not noticed. Which is unlikely.
B) Have gotten the cut accidentaly at some point during the seance, noticed, and then decided to lie about it being 'magical' in order to help bolster the mediums claims.
C) Have caused the cut on purpose during the seance and then used it in order to help bolster the mediums claims.
d) Have faked the cut in order to help bolster the mediums claims
Any other varients of what could have happened with the cut come back to the same conclusion. The author is lying about his thumb, and using it to help bolster the medium. Or he is dumb enough to not notice he has actually cut it! At best that makes him a fool, at worse that makes him 100% in on the act, and someone whose testimony cannot be trusted. Perhaps every other word are lies too. Or at least, some important details, who really supplied the chair for instance?
My conclusion about stooges is that there is at least one, the writer of the article.
Cheers
David
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Roslyn
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 11:20am
Very interesting David... I love the fact that the picture that's meant to show his hands before the seance is one of his hands backs to camera. Where as the one of him showing the cut is palms to camera... unless of course the spirits turned his hands around and we are in fact seeing the same side.
One unfortunate thing is that the author of that article has since died, a shame as I wanted to get in touch.
Something else I've discovered is the fact that the only people allowed to sit in on the UK seances are members of the Zirdin Fellowship, who also happen to be the ones hosting them. Even still £35 is the ticket price! That's a lot of dosh for one months work.
Oh, and for those of you in the US and Canada feeling left out 2008 is going to see his Canadian and USA tour... FUN!
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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 12:05pm
It seems that Ros has figured it out! From what he says, I gather that the trick, whatever it is, does not require a gimmicked chair or gimmicked flex-ties? And no accomplice?
I've been coy about mentioning the medium by name, but since I linked to an article about him, of course the name came out. He is David Thompson, a one-time associate of Colin Fry (well-known in the UK). He has been sitting with a group called the Circle of the Silver Cord in Sydney, Australia, for the past year. The principal investigator in this case is a retired Australian attorney of some prominence, Victor Zammit. As for me, I'm a fiction writer named Michael Prescott with a blog that mainly covers the paranormal. Although I am not a skeptic in general, I have been skeptical of David Thompson from the start, and my online critiques have greatly vexed Victor Zammit. Zammit has gone so far as to offer $500,000 (U.S.) to anyone who can duplicate Thompson's feats - with the caveat that if the challenger fails, he must pay $500,000 to Zammit and friends. I realize that this offer will be tempting, but I suspect that no one will be able to convince Zammit that he has been duped, so the money will never be paid. He is quite zealous on this subject. Here is a comment he left on my blog:
>What a bunch of no hopers you skeptics are! Instead of being specific, by identifying technical scientific method problems in our materializations, all you do is to over-generalize, be descriptively negative, without substance, without any worth, without any value whatsoever.If you have any testes, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? HALF A MILLION dollars when and if you can show that fraud is taking place. When you fail YOU hand over half a million dollars to the sitters of the Circle. Put up or shut up, COWARDS! - Victor Zammit
(Taken from http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2007/09/lifted-from-com.html )
All of his responses to criticism have been of this type. I should point out that most paranormal investigators I know of are nothing like Victor. I have a high opinion of much of the work done in this field. As far as I can tell, his claims have been completely ignored by the more serious researchers.
By the way, I do not believe that Montague Keen, who wrote the article on Thompson, was an accomplice. Actually, he later regretted mentioning the cut on his thumb and thought it could have happened accidentally.
Some relevant links for those who want more info ...
The Circle's Web site, with audio clips of some Thompson seances:
http://www.silvercordcircle.com/
An article by Victor Zammit enthusiastically describing a seance:
http://skeptics.victorzammit.com/articles/materializationmiracles.html
Zammit's Web site (scroll through and you will find many updates on the Thompson "research"):
http://www.victorzammit.com/
The group sponsoring Thompson's UK tour:
http://www.zerdinfellowship.com/home.asp
My blog:
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/
For your amusement, here is Zammit's latest pronouncement on Thompson:
>DAVID THOMPSON MATERIALIZATIONS: without doubt whatsoever, David Thompson's materializations are the most convinving [sic] most persuasive and most world shattering evidence we have to day on planet earth. As a lawyer/empiricist, after 12 months investigating David Thompson, I personally guarantee, that no fraud is taking place. I also know that without any doubt whatsoever, this type of evidence will be accepted as 'objective' evidence in the Supreme Court (U.S.). The reason why professional debunking skeptics at professorial level did not take us on is because David Thompson's evidence has two critical elements: OBJECTIVITY and REPEATABILITY. That says it all!
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Harley Newman
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 12:14pm
I have little doubt that most of us here, could objectively repeat everything he does. He probably keeps his circle of knowledgible people very small.
If a group of us wanted to duplicate his work, it would be very advantageous for one person to take the spotlight, and the others to go incognito (as he does). Why not? Just use his model exactly, only for ethical reasons.
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 1:52pm
Yep I think we could do that.
How about it Ros? If this challenge exhists .... we can go to the press and make an "attempt" on it! You know go for the $500 000 (not that it is worth much in UK terms ...... well may be a month or twos shopping at cannons / convention etc) .... well I guess £250 000 is not to be sniffed at.
lets take him ... I bet he woudl not pay out! In fact I bet $500 000 (that way I don't loose out ..... argh wont make any money either! ***! )
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
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And ......
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Wolflock
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 2:04pm
ROTFLMAO!! Of course it is an Escape. I would love to know why Infra Red is not able to be used as this would then mean that it is an Escape or a confederate is being used without an Escape. But YES! I would most Definately be able to Escape from that and AND still get back into the position quite quickly, to make it look like I have not been able to get out.
If you Wish, PM me and I can Give a Few Suggestions on how to bind the person with Cable ties so that they MAY still be able to get out (as nothing is impossible just improbable) But will have a HELL of a time trying to get back into in a quick moment.
I am Quite used to Escaping from cable ties all the time.
Regards
Wolflock
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dave_matkin
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 2:49pm
Hi Wolf I nearly suggested mailing you ... but wanted a bit of the glory for myself! .
Good to hear form you again ... we kind-a been out of touch. ill emil you this weekend....
Dave “SPARKY” Matkin
There are only 10 types of people
Those who understand binary and .......
Those who do not!
Dave is ....
A Club foot sufferer and STEPS trustee (www.steps-charity.org.uk)
And ......
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sauropod
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 3:41pm
I should add that Victor Zammit has announced that David Thompson will receive TV coverage in the UK. An unnamed TV interviewer is going to interview one of the "spirits." The same interviewer is reportedly hiring a couple of police detectives to check the seance room, prevent an accomplice from entering or leaving, etc. (All of which I suspect is quite irrelevant to how the trick is done.) Anyway, I don't know which TV show is involved, but if anyone can find out, perhaps the show would be willing to give Roslyn some airtime.
The $500,000 prize will never be paid out, in my opinion. Zammit is a lawyer, so expect to get mixed up in legal wrangling if you try for this award.
Off-topic: Roslyn, I read the "goats" post on your blog. Here's how I think you did it. You sent out a large number of packages to randomly selected people in a farming community. By chance, one or two of the recipients would have some recent experience that tied in with the contents of the package. Those who didn't would just ignore the package. Also, I noted that the package did not actually predict the birth of twin goats; the photo of the goats could have been interpreted in many ways.
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