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WitchDocChris
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No, someone on here was gathering information on Outlaw customers who hadn't received products. I believe they intended to put together a case for legal action, but I just can't remember who it was and posts speaking out again Outlaw seem to disappear regularly.
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cocomax
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Aaron Sherman is in talks with the Federal Trade Commission and it looking for people who have not received things that they ordered from Outlaw to help show a pattern of behavior.

There are several others that are in talks with different government agencies, in CA, NY, TX and CT.

Tim
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I never received a Deadwood I paid for
More than two years ago now. Happy to cooperate in any investigation. Just PM me.
cocomax
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Something is going on at the Outlaw Web Site, all the product info / order pages have vanished.
WitchDocChris
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I checked, you are correct. The home page is still there as are some sub pages, but all products pages seem to be gone. I wonder what's happening.
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John C
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On Dec 27, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
I checked, you are correct. The home page is still there as are some sub pages, but all products pages seem to be gone. I wonder what's happening.



uhhh, I would think he's ....leavin ....on a jet plane....don't look like he'll be back again.
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The web site is up and Rick is replying to emails very fast. Rick has limited items available, if you email him, he will tell you what he has.
cocomax
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There is something weird going on at outlaw, if you look at the Witch Box page it says 11/26/2017 ships in one week, each box is hand made and aged by Tim Wisseman. I can tell you that is all flat out wrong. Tim Wisseman does not build anything for Outlaw. . .

Also Dr X has ether quit or is in the process of quitting Outlaw, Dr X has had enough. He has been telling people that if you ordered something and have not received it right away you had better file a paypal dispute or you will be out the money and never see the product.
cocomax
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If you ordered anything from Outlaw that is made by Tim Wisseman file a paypal dispute at once if you still can because you are never going to see the item.

If you ordered something from Outlaw that Dr X makes, please contact Dr X at once to find out the status of your order and if there is any hope of ever seeing the item you ordered as there is a strong possibility that the order and payment was never passed on to Dr X.
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On Dec 28, 2017, cocomax wrote:
There is something weird going on at outlaw, if you look at the Witch Box page it says 11/26/2017 ships in one week, each box is hand made and aged by Tim Wisseman. I can tell you that is all flat out wrong. Tim Wisseman does not build anything for Outlaw. . .


Yikes. I do believe that is actionable. I am heartbroken. But...the genius of Tim's work lives ON! I have not dealt with Gemini yet. But, I CAN tell you, if you have an idea, run it by Tim! His "CAN DO" approach is refreshing! Want a good example? One word: Etherica.

Doug
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2009 California Civil Code - Section 1770 :: Chapter 3. Deceptive Practices

1770. (a) The following unfair methods of competition and unfair or
deceptive acts or practices undertaken by any person in a
transaction intended to result or which results in the sale or lease
of goods or services to any consumer are unlawful:
(1) Passing off goods or services as those of another.
(2) Misrepresenting the source, sponsorship, approval, or
certification of goods or services.
(3) Misrepresenting the affiliation, connection, or association
with, or certification by, another.

(5) Representing that goods or services have sponsorship,
approval, characteristics, ingredients, uses, benefits, or quantities
which they do not have or that a person has a sponsorship, approval,
status, affiliation, or connection which he or she does not have.
(6) Representing that goods are original or new if they have
deteriorated unreasonably or are altered, reconditioned, reclaimed,
used, or secondhand.
(7) Representing that goods or services are of a particular
standard, quality, or grade, or that goods are of a particular style
or model, if they are of another.

(9) Advertising goods or services with intent not to sell them as
advertised.
(10) Advertising goods or services with intent not to supply
reasonably expectable demand, unless the advertisement discloses a
limitation of quantity.
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Well dang, I just made the mistake of ordering a Hobbs Box for a show I have in a little over a month. Looks like I need to find a new PK bell/box.
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I haven't been on the Café for a while, thought I'd check in and see how Outlaw are doing. Rick is/was up to his old tricks again I see! I created the Outlaw Effects Website back in 2008, I have no clue how it is still operational without being hacked to the heavens, it's still running a Joomla 1.5 install. I worked with Rick for a couple of years doing his graphic design, was strung out for payment "in goods" for a looooooong time, and have heard every excuse under the sun. I was finally "pushed out" of the web and graphic design side of the business in around 2010 as he found other marks to work for free. Myself and a few good Café people (the Mystery Performers crew back in the day) put some pressure on him, and myself and a few others finally received part of what they were owed, no doubt at the expense of others who had paid for items unfortunately.

At one time, Outlaw Effects was actually a great business, albeit with delayed deliveries due to Rick's mismanagement of funds. He was a terrible businessman, and a pathological fibber dibber. He was, however a great pitchman.

Many people on the Café would jump down the throats of people simply asking for what they had paid for, claiming that "beautiful products are worth that wait" and "you're just ****ting on his business".

Those of us (me included) who did that, should feel ashamed.

Great to be back, peace! Smile
John C
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I created the forum for Rick under professionalmagicroutines.com

I too was promised goods and got every excuse for not receiving. Once He was going to send me a wallet. I spent almost a year reminding him. He kept at thought with it's in the mail, you should have it next week etc. After a while it really didn't matter anymore but for the principle of it I sent an email .... either send the wallet in 2 days or I'll just shutdown the forum.

Well, I received the wallet Fed ex.

During this time folks in the forum were complaining and others were defending.

Defending the products and how you should wait for the artistry of it, the fact that it's custom built etc.

I felt sorry for the folks that were complaining while others told them to shutup. Haha

Too bad.
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Sorry to hear about this. I ordered a bunch of pocket mentalism and book tests for my new magic store last year, and it was all received in good order. I guess I was one of the lucky ones.
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John C
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On Jan 26, 2018, todsky wrote:
Sorry to hear about this. I ordered a bunch of pocket mentalism and book tests for my new magic store last year, and it was all received in good order. I guess I was one of the lucky ones.


They are not all horror stories but way to many to give outlaw more than one half a star.
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tvbuzz
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Should we cross post this in the bizarre section as well?
The Baldini
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I have a quick question for all those out there wwith issues. Have your issues been resolved.
Winks
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Nope. I bought a Death Came Knocking from him at ECSS I and never received it.
professortango
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Rick maintains he will be sending me my Hobbs box I recently ordered. It was ready to ship last week from Kentucky, but they had a bad snowstorm. He said it will ship today hopefully. I hope he's telling the truth, but then again, with the stories on here, I went and ordered a Bell from Hell from Nick Wenger to ensure I had a spirit bell in time. So, I might have purchased two expensive and similar products, or Rick might be stringing me along and I'll just take my dispute with PayPal.
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