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Joey911 New user 84 Posts |
Can anyone explain a method for switching a Svengali deck for a regular deck. I need to do this for a Svengali routine, but not sure what the best method would be. Thanks very much!
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TKD27 Elite user Wallingford, CT 458 Posts |
In the pocket sqorches work well many cases. If you can, put the deck away like you're done, then "remember" you have another trick to show. Alternatively, if you can go "looking" for something in your pocket like a marker. Go looking with both hands and switch the decks.
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
Paul Brook's book "Good Vibrations" has some excellent ideas. It's a bit pricey, though.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
The best method is not to switch the deck. After showing all cards are same as the climax, say "I can't use this deck any more as all cards are same" and take out another deck and do other tricks with it.
In most cases, a good method is in the context of your performance. Hideo Kato |
Ximines Regular user Minnesota 154 Posts |
I would recommend against showing all cards the same in a Svengali deck. I think it tips the secret.
Disclaimer: the above is just my opinion; it is offered with the full realization that others on this board no doubt perform the greatest Svengali deck routine ever invented, and have fooled the pants off Dai Vernon and Marlo with said routine, despite utilizing the Svengali principle to show all cards the same at the end; I mean no ill will or insult to any others on this board; I'm a lover, not a fighter; peace on earth, and good will toward all; feel free to take my advice or not - it's entirely up to you; should you follow my advice, yet fail to impress with your presentation, the undersigned assumes no liability for such failure to impress; quod erot demonstrandum; and wingardia leviosa. -David |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
Ximines-san very politely said showing all the cards same with Svengali Deck is no good. I understand the point of it.
I really wish to know what secret do we tip by doing that? The fact we are using a trick deck? Likely. Half of the cards are same and others are different? Not likely. They sensed you used Svengali Deck? Most likely if they knew it. In the last case, the result is same even you don't show that ending. Maybe ending by showing all cards same is not better than ending by returning them all different. If so this strategy can't be used for the OP's purpose. In my professional work, I returned the cards into normal condition. This is not to debate this matter. I really wish to know why showing all same cards is wrong as I have been believing it is one of most wonderful effects in card magic through my experience in Tokyo Disney Land Magic Shop for 20 years. Hideo Kato |
Ximines Regular user Minnesota 154 Posts |
Hideo-
I believe that showing all of the cards different, then all of the cards the same, tips the fact that you are using a trick deck. It's 'over-kill', in my opinion. If you are selling Svengali decks, I understand why you would want to do this, since it leaves the spectators with the impression that the deck is really cool, and can do really cool things. When I perform, however, the last think I want the spectators to think to themselves is 'wow - David uses a really cool deck, that can do cool things. " In other words, when I use a Svengali deck, I use it in 'stealth mode.' Yours in magic- -David |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I had always avoided showing "all the same" but tried it at the family Christmas dinner and it ending up as a great kicker! My mother is about my favorite audience because of her enthusiasm mainly but she isn't afraid to let me know if a trick stinks in her opinion. I consider her to be a good measure for laymen reaction! She was blown away and even forgot to ask me to do my invisible deck routine which until the other night was her fave! LOL
This was one more admission of magician guilt on my part! I intend to continue using it this way for awhile! Mick |
Geoff Weber Inner circle Washington DC 1384 Posts |
Its been said before by some of the long time Svengali pitch men, and I tend to agree with them... revealing the deck to have transformed into the all the same card is the primary trick of the deck, and a really amazing trick at that. Just about everything else you might do with the deck that is NOT that effect, could probably be accomplished through some other combination of sleight of hand, so why not do the one thing deck is really meant for?
To answer your question about deck switches... I carry a gimmicked deck in my inside coat pocket. and after I'm done using my regular deck, I place it in the same pocket. Then I show them something else, and then I go back to that pocket removing the gimmick deck to show them "one more card trick". Its pretty much bullet proof. Don't run if you're not being chased, ya know? If your talking about doing an open switch in the middle of a routine, well that's a lot more difficult. If you can find away around it, that'd be for the best, but there are certain products on the market that can help you do this... one trick that might lead you in the right direction is Dean Dill's "Blizzard". |
magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
The audience may suspect a trick deck, but if you switch decks as the original post inquired about, then the spectator is dumbfounded because he can find nothing when you hand him the deck to shuffle (or cut or whatever).
On a somewhat related note, I really like the Mirage deck. It's added feature allows you to spread the deck and fairly show that all the cards are different.
B. Robert Pulver
The "I Hate Card Tricks!" Book of Card Tricks Vol. 1, 2, and 3 Kards for Kids Sticky Situations Sleightly Wacky http://www.magicnook.com/magicbob |
cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
It all depends.
Do you want the audience to be amazed? Or do you want the audience to think, "oh, he's using one of those trick decks the guy at the flea market was demonstrating." Up to you. |
trickytrav Veteran user 391 Posts |
I personally am against revealing the Svengalis secret.
Back to the original question do something different after your Svengali deck e.g. a packet trick or coin trick then bring out your regular deck nobody will notice. |
cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
The problem being that so many people think of the sven only as a pitch item, and forget that it is an extremely powerful gaffed deck.
The "pitch sven" and the "magic sven" are actually two completely different things. Please - do not confuse them!!! |
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