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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:37am
Darn it, why is everyone loading out of their pockets or out of their lap????
Dove workers, billiard ball workers and candle workers all do body loads. My personal routine has no loads from pockets!! And I'm a rank amateur.
Let's all start thinking outside the box. There is ample material available for fodder for obtaining the final loads. John Cornelius' pendulum idea was used by Jos Bema years ago in a chop cup routine. Great harnesses, magnets on the body holding the loads . . . there is a huge number of ideas available.
When you're seated the audience will run it back and realize you got the loads from your lap. When you're working with a man-bag on your hip, they know the oranges came out of the bag. When you put the balls in your pockets, LAYMEN KNOW after the show you brought the loads out of your pockets!!
Just because you surprise the audience with the final loads, it doesn't mean you left them with a miracle in their memory.
Just one old man's rant. I do not mean to offend, but I'm tired of every single video of a cups and balls routine ending with either Vernon's load sequence or Ammar's. (Hats off to Jos Bema, Al Schneider and John Mendoza for also doing greatly different loading sequences)
There is an infinite set of possibilities out there. Vernon and Ammar are revered as cup and ball workers. It isn't just because they had (have) exceedingly smooth routines, but because they thought outside the box. (Okay they're really great magicians too, but I digress)
I spent years and years on my own routine. Different colored balls, no hand to hand transfers, no pocket loads. I'm no freaking genius, but I do my own stuff. Sit down with your tools and experiment. Stick the loads different places on your body with a simple ball holder and motivate ways to get your hands there to do the loads.
Please, let's use this forum to innovate not ape the routines of others.
So aside from what I've listed, how else can a standing magician get to those big balls?
Gravity Pendulum, body harnesses, magnetic holders, sleeves???, off a servante, out of specially sewn pockets . . .
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Tarbell Magic
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 2:19am
"Let's all start thinking outside the box"
Nobody cares about the method, or where you load from - It's ALL ABOUT the presentation and whether THEY LIKE YOU!
Crazy concept, isn't it!
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Eddie Torres
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 5:39am
People load from the pockets because it works, and an audience won't retrace it to a pocket if it's done properly. I've never been accused of having taken final loads from my pocket, the only thing anyone ever says is " Where did it come from? I would've seen it if it was in your hands" reffering to a few pieces of small fruit that can actually fit in my hands very easily. There's no reason to come up with complicated rigings when there's an easier way.
Eddie
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matt kemp
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 10:36am
I think this comes down to a matter of convenience. The alternatives to loading from your pockets or lap require special clothes. If a magician loads from his pockets, he can wear pretty much any sports coat, or even a zip-up sweatshirt (these have pockets on both sides). If a magician loads from his lap, he just needs to be seated.
Another alternative is loading by pure misdirection, like Tommy Wonder. That requires a lot of skill that IMHO most of us do not yet have. I tried to learn his routine for weeks but it just didn't work for me. Fortunately, I learned a lot of principles that I can incorporate into the rest of my magic, such as how to naturally hold/handle the cups.
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 12:12pm
Weenieboy,
First off, I don't want to be demeaning, if you've another name I'd rather use it. If you're comfortable with that nom-de-plume, off we go.
I talk to my audiences after the show. I talk to lay people whenever I can. Some of my best friends are lay people.
They're not stupid. Show a lay person John Mendoza's great routine, it is on youtube. Ask them where they think the "big balls" come from. Do the same for what is easily my favorite cups and balls routine, Paul Gertner's Steel and Silver.
They know where the balls came from. The same is true for people using large leather pouches. They know where the large balls come from.
Show them Tommy Wonder's routine and they have no explanations. I'll grant you Tommy Wonder's cups and balls is seminal on many levels, but he fools the snot out of everyone who sees that routine. (Note to self, quit smoking!!)
Should Mr. Mendoza or Paul Gertner change their routines? Heck no!!
Should we all do Tommy Wonder's routine. No, but I think if more magicians try to develop innovations that truly astound their audiences we'd see better magic.
In these cloistered halls of the Café, can we not simplify, can we aim higher than good enough? Let's work together to explore new avenues and do better magic!
Can we have a forum here, where we might explore other options to advance how we do the cups and balls?
I complete agree that presentation skills are important, very important. I don't feel that being a charming, suave and well-liked performer is enough. If the magic you're doing is inanely simple then you're only fooling yourself. I firmly believe we should take every chance we have to entertain by actually showing our audiences magical events.
Michael Close, Juan Tamariz and especially Ascanio wrote on the topic of completely fooling an audience. Leave them no possible explanation. If that is inconvenient for you, if it's just easier to ape someone else's routine, if you don't want to be the very best magician you can be.
That I understand. It is called being lazy.
I for one don't give a HOOT about the method's others use. I care tremendously about the methods I use.
Peace brother, I really liked your posting!!! You raised an excellent point!!!
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 12:30pm
The efficacy of loads depends on a number of factors, some of which are missing when you view them on a video. I'm not a big fan of multiple loads from a gibeciere, especially when you put the bag on right before the cups and balls routine and take it off right afterwards. However, if you know how to arrange the bag, the table edge and a couple of other things, and you combine the loading with the right kind of misdirection, you can fool an audience very well in a live performance.
Part of the recipe is timed misdirection.
If you use a gibeciere, the audience must become accustomed to the bag as a necessary part of your costume, rather than something street magicians wear. You can't wear a gibeciere in a three-piece suit or a tuxedo. It's as out of place as a carpenter's apron.
I never perform seated. As far as I am concerned, that's a "non real world" performing situation. When I am not performing in a situation in which a gibeciere is suitable, I use other methods. I NEVER load from the pockets.
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 12:40pm
Eddie,
Thank you for posting!
Eddie you wrote:
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People load from the pockets because it works, and an audience won't retrace it to a pocket if it's done properly. I've never been accused of having taken final loads from my pocket
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You're either way better than the average magician, or you're deluded. People are way too nice to magicians. Ask a group of friends, non-magicians to watch your cups and balls routine. Then ask them the next day, in an off-hand manner, "Hey where do you think those big balls were, before they showed up?"
I'll bet you a set of silver engraved Sherwoods they know.
Should you keep loading from you pockets. Absolutely you should. I'll bet your routine rocks. Do you do your own sequence?
That last bit reads a bit sarcasticly. Please don't take it that way!!
Kent
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Kent Wong
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:01pm
I faced a similar dilemma when I was designing my cups and balls routine. I had watched a ton of cups and balls performances and I noticed a trend where the magician continually went to the pocket. Sometimes it made sense and sometimes it didn't. For those times when the action was plausibly motivated, I could see how the production of the final loads could really blow the spectators away. The other performances just seemed contrived.
Then one morning I realized that I was no longer watching these performances with the dispassionate eye of a lay person. Spectators who haven't seen hundreds of cups and balls performances would likely be very entertained and not catch on to the repeated "going to the pocket" sequences. Indeed, their reactions seemed to confirm this.
This allowed me to at least "accept" this method of presentation, but I still had a personal difficulty with it. I wanted my audiences to be left with one final question at the end of the routine: "How did those loads get under the cup?". And I didn't want them to have any way to reverse engineer the method and timing of the loads.
At first, I tried body loads, but in most cases they don't work. You see, there just isn't enough natural body movement to allow for the steals. When you are working an effect like multiplying balls, you are often on a stage and it is natural for you to turn completely from side to side. The grand gestures of the stage allow for easy body steals and the natural motion of the performer render those steals almost invisible.
That isn't the case with a close up performance where the magician is standing behind a small table. Any large sideways gestures seem contrived. Although there are other types of holders, they may not be able hold 3 or 4 loads and you may not be able to retrieve them in a natural manner.
On a side note, my other pet peeve that developed after watching all of these cups and balls routines was the overt elimination of cups as the routine progresses. Invariably, these elmination sequences are supposed to make it "easier" for the spectator to follow. To me, it always seemed to suggest that the spectator was somehow too stupid to follow the first or second sequences of the trick so I have to revert to remedial magic. I never liked that feeling.
Also, after watching all of these performances, the elimination of a cup seemed to scream out to me that the magician had just made a load. I wanted to eliminate this. The only way I could achieve the reaction I truly desired was to eliminate any suspicion in the spectator's mind as to both where the loads came from and when they were made.
These considerations all came to a head when I designed my Jamaican Cups & Balls. I knew I was going to be performing for both lay people and fellow magicians. In order to be as effective as possible, I wanted to stay away from the repeated in the pocket sequences. I also knew I couldn't get away with body loads that depended on unnatural body turns. And, since I perform while standing, lapping was out of the question.
The solution I came up with overcame all of these difficulties by taking full advantage of the "character" of the routine. I start with the props inside a Jamaican looking beach bag, and I have a beach towel draped over top of it. When I start the routine, I put the bag on a chair and drape the beach towel on the wooden beach table. As soon as I do this, the loads are set and ready to go. Plus, the special nature of the towel allows me to perform this in the round without anyone seeing the loads.
After combining this method with another "two ahead" principle, I am left with 6 cups and 9 balls at the end of my routine. I only go to my pocket once and, even then, my hand clearly comes out empty (that's just a little sadistic salt in the wound for any skeptical magician in the audience). There also isn't a single point in the routine where I have overtly eliminated a cup after a load was made.
It took me years to develop a routine like this, but I finally have something I am truly happy with.
Kent
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pabloinus
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:27pm
Kent, very interesting topic, so far you have listed most of the options available for loading, sitting: from the lap, standing: a) from pockets, b)from holders, c)from a bag (apron, etc), d)already in view (T. Wonder) and also e)The loads already loaded on the cups (Al Schneider).
Because everybody knows that magic does not exist per se, I think the impact is always the loads showing up under a cup, when you/me thought the cups were empty.
I don't know if I will be less impressed, when after the performance I realized the magician loaded from the pocket or from some other place, I think the impact during the performance will remain with me, rather than where the stuff was hidden.(As spectator)
However I am sometimes amazed on why I did not see the load coming, and this is function of the magician ability to draw my attention to some other point while he/she was loading.
Maybe a subset for discussion of your post could be how to misdirect or how/when/why to go to your loads, where ever they are, that creates the most surprise?
Pablo
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:29pm
Matt,
I thought you were playing for the Dodgers, this year . . .
"You wrote. "I think this comes down to a matter of convenience. The alternatives to loading from your pockets or lap require special clothes."
No they don't. They might require you have "special things" under your clothes. Is it too much trouble to pin some ball holders inside your jacket or onto a harness? If you could get magicians and lay people to have NO CLUE where the loads came from?
"If a magician loads from his pockets, he can wear pretty much any sports coat, or even a zip-up sweatshirt (these have pockets on both sides). If a magician loads from his lap, he just needs to be seated."
These alternatives is what I'm arguing against. Working seated . . . is really not an option at most venues! It is artificial, at best. Vernon stood to do his final loading sequence!!! The venerable Palmer-Meister seems to agree with me!?!?
"Another alternative is loading by pure misdirection, like Tommy Wonder."
I don't know what you mean by "pure misdirection". It doesn't come in a bottle. You cannot wave the misdirection tool over a loading process and think it is the solution. If I could ask you, to re-read the wonder books on misdirection I know you'd do what I did; sit back and rethink it in terms of direction. Mr. Tamariz has some really insightful things to say about this in the now available Five Points.
It is by analyzing the actions we need to use to put the loads under the cups, and by motivating those motions so they are indectible that lasting, real magic appears in the minds of those watching.
Thanks for your insight Matt. I think you are very rare, in that you worked on Tommy Wonder's routine. You are thinking outside the box. Those darned yarn balls are a pain in the backside to make, aren't they!!!
Kent
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Kent Wong
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:39pm
Pablo,
Thanks for the kind words. I agree with you that most lay people will still be impressed with a performance even if they have some realization of where the balls possibly came from. But I believe that if we can take that possibility away from them the "appearance" of magic becomes even stronger.
Now, as you can appreciate, my routine is not what I would call typical. I wrote an entire song to go with the routine, and I sing that song in a Jamaican accent, while dressed complete with Jamaican wig and clothing. There is so much entertainment value that the cups and balls simply come along for the ride. Because of the entertainment value, there are quite a few opportunities for me to make the loads. Having said that, however, they are performed at very distinct phases of the routine and are timed to coincide with each applause cue (By the way, there are 4 applause cues set within the routine).
Kent
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:42pm
One of the best routines I have seen had the final loads in the cups from the beginning!!!  
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:44pm
If you are trying to cover body steals with big movements, then you are doing them incorrectly -- no matter whether you are referring to dove steals, ball steals, or anything else.
One of my pet peeves is the dove worker who spins around to do a steal. I watched some of the shows at the IBM convention in Cleveland a couple of years ago. One of the performers did at least four spin steals. It's sloppy technique.
The best steals are motivated by where your hands naturally land. If you can find the Cardini video on you tube sometime, watch the "monocle" steal.
I load a fire extinguisher into a jacket without having to do anything like that. The fire extinguisher is about 3 times the size of a dove. I use a method I learned from Johnny Thompson.
Regarding the "elimination" loads -- I disagree, except for one point. I think some performers extend their routines for too long in order to do that particular thing.
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:48pm
Pablo,
You sir, hit the nail on the head! It is about the effect we have on the minds of our spectators. I'm just asking,
Can we find/discuss other avenues for the loads? Are some other solutions other than pockets, perhaps stronger?
We magicians, with too much knowledge in our little heads, can pretty much work any other magicians routine backwards and figure out where the loads came from. I just think laps and pockets are too easy for lay people to work out.
Let's leave them no clues, let's give them magic that is unassailable! Timing and a polished performance are far better than other factor in a cups and balls routine.
Kent
Kent
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Kent Wong
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 1:56pm
I just realized I'm suffering from Kent confusion! LOL
Kent
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 2:16pm
Young Kent, this is old Kent,
What you describe in your Jamacian routine is precisely the stuff real magicians are made of!!! You've analyzed a commonly overlooked shortcoming of the cups and balls. You made decisions based on deeply considering the options and then came up with, dare I say it, YOUR OWN ROUTINE!
You are doing your own stuff!!! This is the key. I hope to someday see your routine in person. If you're anywhere near the SF Bay area, let me know.
I'll trade showings!
Old Kent
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lint
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 2:24pm
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Ask a group of friends, non-magicians to watch your cups and balls routine. Then ask them the next day, in an off-hand manner, "Hey where do you think those big balls were, before they showed up?"
I'll bet you a set of silver engraved Sherwoods they know.
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can we get this written up in a formal offer? I'd like to take you up on it.
-todd
"Oh the clink of cups together..." -Richard Hovey
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Kent Wong
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 2:25pm
Hey Old Kent,
I spent all of my summers in the Bay area! My cousins live in Oakland and we got together almost every summer to just kick back and enjoy the sun. Incidentally, the old magic shop that used to be located next to Ripley's Believe it or Not! wax museum was where I purchased my very first magic trick. That shop hasn't been there for ages, but I still remember it fondly.
The next time I'm in the neighborhood, I'll definitely give you a call.
Kent
P.S. - I don't know if I can be a called young Kent - after all, I'm 42 years old!
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 2:44pm
Todd,
Do you have a set of Silver cups? Gotta have pink slips if you want to race.
It would be to easy to rig the outcome. For a set of silver Sherwood cups I'd tell your audience where you got the loads. You'd pay them to lie.
I'll acknowledge my offer was rhetorical, if you'll admit that not every spectator is fooled by your hand going to your pocket or lap and coming out looking like it has multiple sclerosis.
Okay, that was over the top. Sorry. Let me try again.
I've never seen you work. You're probably a great magician. I will concede you could be doing the cups and balls really well. Send me a video of your routine and we can then, propose a wager!!
Just playing,
Kent
Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:04pm
Young Kent,
By comparison you are definitely the younger. To give you an idea how old I am, the kid who sat behind me in Aramaic class was named Joshua Ben-Joseph.
Very old Kent
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lint
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:15pm
Hi Kent,
My offer was just a bit of friendly poking.  I think the fact that the cups & balls is one of the oldest known tricks really says something for the various loading techniques of the final loads. With proper misdirection any of the popular loading techniques will work and will impress. Some techniques work better for different situations, but I don't think the trick would have survived if loading from a gibeciere, table ledge, pocket, ball retainer, lap, or even a cup didn't work in the hands of a competent magician.
Just my $.02,
Todd Paoletti
"Oh the clink of cups together..." -Richard Hovey
"Age cannot wither her nor custom stale her infinite variety" -Shakespeare
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:16pm
Kent: I grew up in Oakland and worked at Morcom's House of Novelties on San Pablo Ave. We had a nice room upstairs with a stage to work out on and have shows. I don't know the shop you spoke of as I don't know where the Wax Museum was or is.
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lint
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:20pm
Pete,
When I first moved from the valley of CA to the Bay 4 years ago I rented a place on San Pablo Ave. Luckily I was on the Berkeley side of Ashby but even then it was quite rough! All friendly people but not the place you wanted to walk around too late  Luckily I live up the Highway now in Walnut Creek. I still have access to all the great Berkeley food
-Todd
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Paul Jester
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:44pm
Thing is if you get busted on a steal, you're well and truely busted!
Japanese Owan To Tama (lit. turning of bowls, like western cups and balls) was loaded with very small misdirection, and just by having the loads by your side with a cloth/bag vaguely covering them.
As for the kind of steals used in manips it would be very hard to create a reason to steal from your tail, therefore you're doing front of body steals. With front of body you'll have to load like a dove because of the size, but you'd need to catch the thing around the bottom of your jacket to be deceptive. You can't use a loop steal either because of the size, and prop, so you're stuck with sneaking your hand into the jacket, which can be done, but I wouldn't want to do it more than once.
Also with body loads you start to lose freedom of movement and what you can show, you couldn't flip stick the wand and show it gone by opening the jacket (something me and others do to steal the 4th ball).
With pockets there are no un-natural movements to spend hours trying to justify.
It's funny, Harbin once had a similar thought, he had a wonderful design with strings and things in the cups!
Also Pockets are instant reset, not really an issue for most C&B shows, but every now and then.
The Elimination style loads take so long that the loading sequence is the whole show, and that's too restricting in my views.
Working from a pouch makes a lot of sense if you're doing big tricks that all come from there. The pouch should hold your cups, wand, balls, and previous tricks like rope or rings etc. That way the pouch isn't there for the loads, it's there to hold your show. Once it's become common place peoples minds no-longer register it's even there.
I'd love a revolutionary new technique for loading the cups, but at the end of the day I don't think you can beat pockets or pouch for practicality, and deception. However if I ever have the pleasure of being able to use a servante on the table then I will.
And yes I do have my own wonderful loading sequence I spent years working out.
Paul
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kentfgunn
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 4:27pm
Todd,
I stand here, firmly poked. Ow . . .
You are right, competent perfomers can and will continue to load from pockets and their lap. They will continue to amaze and befuddle lay audiences.
As for survival of the cups and balls. Bad magic survives too. I just think that many magicians could benefit by trying other ways of accomplishing the final loads.
I think the plethora of people EXACTLY copying the Vernon or Ammar loading sequences are what got me going.
The sequential loads, if motivated by a solid presentation is superior to the machine-gun sequence all at the end. Mr. Ammar, most certainly, does a fantastic job of this!!
To Paul Jester, Young Kent and all who have worked out their own loading sequences I, salute you!! I suspect Mssrs. Biro and Palmer may also have a few things parenthetically up their sleeves!!
Old Kent
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 4:47pm
You can buy a table that will load the cups mechanically (but not able to be used close up) for parlour/stage.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 5:53pm
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As for the kind of steals used in manips it would be very hard to create a reason to steal from your tail, therefore you're doing front of body steals. With front of body you'll have to load like a dove because of the size, but you'd need to catch the thing around the bottom of your jacket to be deceptive. You can't use a loop steal either because of the size, and prop, so you're stuck with sneaking your hand into the jacket, which can be done, but I wouldn't want to do it more than once.
Also with body loads you start to lose freedom of movement and what you can show, you couldn't flip stick the wand and show it gone by opening the jacket (something me and others do to steal the 4th ball).
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Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. The fire extinguisher did not work in any way that you are familiar with, other than having a loop steal. My jacket could come open and you wouldn't see anything, even though you were looking right at it. You are showing a lack of creativity when you assume that there are only tail steals and front of body steals. I'm not going to give you a course in how to do steals, particularly in this section of the forum.
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Working from a pouch makes a lot of sense if you're doing big tricks that all come from there. The pouch should hold your cups, wand, balls, and previous tricks like rope or rings etc. That way the pouch isn't there for the loads, it's there to hold your show. Once it's become common place peoples minds no-longer register it's even there.
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You are almost on the right track. Not everything has to come from the pouch. Most of us who did the same circuit I did used a pair of small pouches. We used them primarily because we had no pockets in our clothing, so they were commonplace. I did not do the fire extinguisher production in those situations, anyway.
I have used a servante, and have even constructed one that is invisible from behind the table.
But there are logistical problems with servantes that do not exist with other types of loads.
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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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Larry Davidson
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 6:09pm
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On 2008-02-11 13:42, Pete Biro wrote:
One of the best routines I have seen had the final loads in the cups from the beginning!!!
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Scotty's?
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 6:15pm
Almost... REGAL's with the cups in the cups.
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Payne
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 6:36pm
I don't care if the audience knows where the final loads come from. That's not the point of my demonstration. Not having them know how they got under the cups is what I'm going after.
I don't do "magic" I just do Tricks. I'm simply out to entertain my audience not alter their perception of reality.
Have you asked your laymen friends how the balls get from cup to cup? Do they really think that they do so in violation of the laws of physics or do they think you're somehow sneaking them around unseen? I'd wager that mythical set of Sherwood's that it's the later.
So if you're not concerned as to how the audience perceives the movement of the balls why be so overly obsessed with the location of the steals for the final loads?
It's not that the loads have appeared under the cup magically it's that you were able to get them under them without anyone seeing you do it.
The way I perform it makes it a feat of skill not of magic.
Besides performing in proper Fourteenth century attire as I do gives one little options for loads other than a gibeciere or poachers pouch.
I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
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Kent Wong
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 6:43pm
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On 2008-02-11 18:15, Pete Biro wrote:
Almost... REGAL's with the cups in the cups.
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Part of my routine was based on David Regal's thinking. That's one of the key reasons why I was so persistent with him in organizing a western Canada lecture tour recently. I wanted to be able to thank him in person for being such an inspiration to me.
Kent
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