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jennings
New user
87 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 3:33am
Has anyone else got hold of this effect yet ? I paid £6.00 (About $12.00) and I think it's one of the best value items I have ever purchased. The presentation and production quality are fabulous. The effect itself is extremely strong and the supplied cards are top quality.
As a bonus item there is John's handling and explanation of an old Jerry Sadowitz effect.
As with most of JB's stuff there is minimal sleight of hand and maximum effect.
I think the single trick DVD is a cracking idea.
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Kevin Wiese
Regular user
Richmond, Va.
183 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 11:18am
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On 2008-02-22 03:33, jennings wrote:
Has anyone else got hold of this effect yet ? I paid £6.00 (About $12.00) and I think it's one of the best value items I have ever purchased. The presentation and production quality are fabulous. The effect itself is extremely strong and the supplied cards are top quality.
As a bonus item there is John's handling and explanation of an old Jerry Sadowitz effect.
As with most of JB's stuff there is minimal sleight of hand and maximum effect.
I think the single trick DVD is a cracking idea.
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I'll second your assessment. Regarding the DVD, in many instances a single trick with a DVD, rather than printed instructions, will drive the price up. Not the case here. The price of $15 (U.S.) would be reasonable without the DVD. The bonus is that this DVD comes with a downloadable e-book. I'd like to see all DVD's go to this format. At least the ones that have just one trick.
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Kex
Elite user
Chicago
436 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 3:17pm
I haven't bought the effect yet but I have seen it and it is extremely strong. Excellent thinking behind the effect as well. So much magic happens with the few cards and in the end all can be examined. Besides it is a John Bannon effect so what's not to like about that. I can't wait for him to release his other two DVD's.
Kex
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alondon
New user
69 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 5:05pm
I just got this. I don' t care for a Hammond count, but the effect is strong.
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Robert M
Inner circle
1685 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 9:29pm
I'm not a big fan of the Hamman count either. The Glide can be substituted for the Hamman count, as explained on the DVD.
Robert
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MickeyPainless
Inner circle
California
4997 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2008 12:46am
I've only had it a few days and I'm using the glide so far!
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myshadow
New user
71 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2008 1:25pm
I've just received this and am very pleased with it. A great efect presented and expained clearly and concisely, plus a bonus trick. Mr Bannon knows his stuff. Great value package.
Brian
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docelk
Veteran user
St. Pete, FL
362 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2008 5:46pm
Can someone describe the effect please?
Life is a test. It is only a test. If this had been a real life, you would have been given further instructions on where to go, and what to do.
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digitaltrip
Elite user
Not the most with only
406 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2008 6:21pm
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=244967&forum=109
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Tom G
Inner circle
1245 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2008 9:00pm
If you go to John's website there's a straight forward video demo. No edits or jumping camera.
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andyhurst
New user
Somerset, UK
58 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:46am
I think its one of the better packet tricks to come out in a while.
Andy
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robinr
New user
Greater Los Angeles area
86 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:24pm
I played with this for a while, trying to "improve" some of the handling, and finally realized Bannon had already got it down perfect.
Magicians seem to have two big problems with the Hamman Count: they have a "jump" at the point of switching, and they read the descriptions where the packet in the right hand is shoved deeply into the left thumb crotch, which makes the whole thing look obvious to any spectator who is even casually watching. The easiest way to deal with the jump is to count the cards somewhat irregularly, with the count of the switch at a place where it's normal to have a slight pause. Moving the hands toward different parts of the audience also helps conceal it.
Don't shove the cards into the thumb crotch; simply grip the left hand packet underneath with the right third finger while the right hand packet (top) is swivelled with the right second finger while the left thumb seems to be just taking the top card.
And, of course, it pays to practice. For some reason, magicians don't seem to bother practicing the Hamman Count.
Robin
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Robert Kohler
Quality Control
Fayetteville, Arkansas
520 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:37pm
So I guess in spite of the difficult subtleties of the HC you still prefer it over the Glide in this effect? I have been working with the RS, coming up with a storyline and am not sure yet which to use - the HC or the glide...........
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
B. Wilson
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AltonThrash
Special user
Ridgeland, MS
503 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 8:57pm
I perfer the HC myself. For this routine, I show a few cards till the point of the switch, then do a subtle flash the back of the packet in the right hand and continue the count. I switch when bringing the hands back together after the flash. You can cover the break with patter to make it appear normal.
For reference, Bannon's Call of the Wild uses the HC also where you do the HC and break to show an Ace after showing some blanks then continue the count.
AT
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Robert Kohler
Quality Control
Fayetteville, Arkansas
520 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 10:11pm
Good idea on the HC - I am trying to see how the Royal Scam is any better than Call of the Wild. I'm not so sure it is, I know I have a much better storyline in COTW, although I guess RS is a bit more colorful in the punch line..........
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
B. Wilson
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robinr
New user
Greater Los Angeles area
86 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 12:19pm
Hi Bob,
Yes, I think the Hamman Count works fine on this one, but then I've never been a fan of the Glide, except for the Side Glide, which I use sometimes.
Robin
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Robert Kohler
Quality Control
Fayetteville, Arkansas
520 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:36pm
Alton's idea of stopping after the first 3 aces on the HC right before the packet switch and taking the opportunity to flash the bottom is obviously a very good idea. This may very well make me a believer as HC relates to this effect.
This is my storyline...
So I meet this guy in an establishment in Chicago - his name is Southside Johnny. He is a well known gambler... well in fact he's a card cheat - swindler, you know. Anyway he shows all these AS he says he has collected from different decks he has gambled with - he collects them because the AS is his favorite card.....
Anyway, he knows that I am a magician and he gives me the cards and says "do something magical with this pile of AS".....I said, "OK, I think I can do something
with these"....[go into all turnover moves w/ the Bannon's patter].
I say "So, there you go, that's what I can do with a bunch of aces".
Southside says: "that's very nice, but I have a confession to make." He says "in one of the decks when I was playing poker I lifted the entire RSF of spades." [turn over face down pile]
Then he says "oh, and one more thing..." [you know the rest]
I got a very good reaction tonight at our magic club meeting with this. I now think it is stronger even than Bannon's Call of the Wild. And my wife who is the cruelest, hateful critic of my magic gave me the ultimate compliment: "wow, that's good - keep working on it"..............
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
B. Wilson
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DonB!
New user
86 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 10:06am
I've been showing this to everyone that I can, and it has been working great. I love to step back, and see how long it takes for the spectators to casually reach down and look at a few cards, front and back. It drives the routine home that much harder. Bannon's card stuff is great!
DonB!
Non-stop laughter. Eternal Impact.
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AltonThrash
Special user
Ridgeland, MS
503 Posts
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 10:04pm
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On 2008-03-24 23:36, Robert Kohler wrote:
Alton's idea of stopping after the first 3 aces on the HC right before the packet switch and taking the opportunity to flash the bottom is obviously a very good idea. This may very well make me a believer as HC relates to this effect.
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Glad to see it helped someone. I just have never been much for the glide personally. Some people can use it effectively, I am not one of them. I actually perfer RS over COTW (and I will say that COTW has been a favorite of mine) at this point since all cards can be examined at the end.
AT
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AltonThrash
Special user
Ridgeland, MS
503 Posts
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 10:11pm
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On 2008-03-25 10:06, DonB! wrote:
I've been showing this to everyone that I can, and it has been working great. I love to step back, and see how long it takes for the spectators to casually reach down and look at a few cards, front and back. It drives the routine home that much harder. Bannon's card stuff is great!
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Yep that is always a fun thing to watch. They know they are going to catch you with some "trick cards" but then their head starts hurting trying to figure it out.
AT
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Kex
Elite user
Chicago
436 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 12:13pm
I have call of the wild and am curious if anyone else has that and royal scam. Which do you guys prefer? (thanks for the start on this AltonThrash)
Also a not on the Hamman Count. I find that it can't be rushed. What I see that makes it obvious is people doing the count faster than they can handle when it comes to the secret move. This causes a noticable break in the whole count and flags attention to the fact that something (unseen) happened. If you slow the pace of the count down a bit it looks great. I also use this with the Jordan count. I've heard many magicians say the move in the Jordan count is too noticable but if you slow the count down it can be done quite deciptively.
Just my 2.5 cents worth.
Kex
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Robert Kohler
Quality Control
Fayetteville, Arkansas
520 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 5:36pm
I perform both COTW and RS and I have to say the Scam is better because of the color at the end and the examinable cards. See my post above for my storyline......
We judge ourselves by our intentions - others judge us by our actions.....
B. Wilson
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Kex
Elite user
Chicago
436 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 8:19pm
Thanks Robert... that helps. I may have to buy this one and put it to good use!
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AltonThrash
Special user
Ridgeland, MS
503 Posts
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 6:55am
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On 2008-03-27 12:13, Kex wrote:
Also a not on the Hamman Count. I find that it can't be rushed.
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Your exactly right! No need to rush it.
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wespetty
Regular user
Georgia
139 Posts
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 3:35pm
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On 2008-03-23 17:24, robinr wrote:
I played with this for a while, trying to "improve" some of the handling, and finally realized Bannon had already got it down perfect.
Robin
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First, let me say that I am a huge fan of John Bannon and his material. However, sometimes magicians stop thinking a little bit too soon. Robin, if you really think about it for a bit longer you may find ways to improve the handling (as I have).
What if I told you that it IS possible to alter the handling, only slightly, so that you can eliminate the discrepancies in John's handling (such as showing 7 rather than 9 aces at the outset, NOT being able to show all blue backs at the outset, and lastly merely spreading the cards (when 3 cards are left) and having one turn face up for seemingly no reason).
I realize that many folks will say these are small points and discrepancies that "fly by" everyone. However, if you are like me then you probably agree that true magic is all in the "small details". You can choose to believe that spectators never notice these sorts of "small details", but the fact of the matter is that SOME people do notice these things (even if they don't verbally point them out to you while you perform... they are being polite). I concede that they are rarely noticed... maybe only 1 in 100 people notice... but you are lying to yourself if you think it's NEVER noticed. Would anyone else who is a fan of Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic (specifically regarding conviction) care to chime in on this fact?
So, IF a handling CAN be altered to eliminate as many discrepancies as possible... why not do it?
Beautiful magic lies in the "small details"... it's kind of like how, immediately after performing the Charlie Miller drop through move (ball penetrating the top of the cup) the ball that has just "arrived" should be MOVING (not stationary)! It's all in the details, right?
Cheers, Wes
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Preston68
Regular user
Tucson, Arizona
156 Posts
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Posted: Apr 1, 2008 9:47pm
Boy, I'm glad I read this thread. I was shown this trick at my local shop. As I'm pretty new to magic, I knew there was a problem with the count that was shown me, but didn't know what it was. It was just very obvious that not all the cards were being counted. Which I politely pointed out to the salesman at the trick's conclusion.
This made me not want to buy the trick. It had an awsome ending, but I was one of those people wespetty mantioned; I knew something was up, just not exactly what. Later, I wondered if I might not be able to perform it better than the guy at the shop and should buy the trick anyway. I have busted the guys at this store on several flashes and have performed some of the same tricks better myself.
Reading this makes me want to give it a try. After some serious practice. The killer ending seems like it would be very worth it.
Thanks for the information! If I do get it I might pm some of you for help because I've never done any false counts before and my glide technique is ok, but needs improvement.
Preston-
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MagicMan1957
Inner circle
1132 Posts
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Posted: Apr 2, 2008 3:13am
At the beginning I just say:
When I was a kid my Uncle was a card cheat and always told me to have a BUNCH of Ace of Spades on me to sneak into the game when needed. I then just do the Hamman Count.
I NEVER mention how many Aces I have. Also after showing the first 2 or 3 Aces I pause and patter a second or two, then continue the Hamman count to break up the flow.
No one has ever questioned how many cards I started with or ended with.
Also as others have mentioned on the Café, when down to 3 cards do the Paul Harris Bizarre Twist for an extra kick. Its an eye popping move.
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Paul
Inner circle
A good lecturer at your service!
3884 Posts
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Posted: Apr 2, 2008 12:42pm
I must admit I've put this in my repertoire now, gets good responses, and another 'uber' version of the effect springing from the Walton source material is Bob Farmer's "Mutanz" and for kids Aldo's "Shennanigans".
I'm not sure why Wes would want to show nine cards initially, considering in the main phase there are four cards on the table and supposedly four in the hand. Unless Wes has five cards openly on the table or in the hand which seems like major reconstruction of the routine to me. Eight cards would make more sense, (which people would assume anyway if you use J.B's possible "Glide" version he suggests). But with a Biddle of one card during the latter part of the count you can get eight anyway.
I'm sure John took into consideration that packet tricks are easier to sell with fewer and more known moves, so purposefully kept it as simple as possible.
The odd card turning face up toward the end rather than seemingly for no reason can be explained with a simple patter line, "Just for a change, instead of making them all turn togethers with a twist, we can do them one at a time with a snap." A change of pace after all the repetition.
So its an different number of cards at the end? Isn't it possible the performer supposedly switched out four and switched in five? we're not actually in a card game after all.
For those whose name spells with four letters, you could have a letter on each of the colored backed cards (or use blank backed aces) and patter about other than amazing people it's important the performer's name is remembered...
Anyway, that's just a further few thoughts thrown in the ring. John's work is always worth a look.
Paul.
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robinr
New user
Greater Los Angeles area
86 Posts
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Posted: Apr 2, 2008 6:27pm
Wes, you did point out all the points I was trying to resolve. I was trying to do exactly what you mentioned, and didn't accomplish it. But then I also thought along Paul's line that if I had done it, that would itself create an inconsistency. Probably self-jusitification since I hadn't solved a pure card problem. I'd be interested in seeing how you did it. If you'd like to write me, just PM me and I'll give you my email address.
Robin
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DStachowiak
Inner circle
Baltimore, MD
2153 Posts
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Posted: Apr 3, 2008 4:04pm
I'm glad I read this thread, I just started learning this, and the advice on the Hamman Count is golden. I have never much liked the glide, but was resigning myself to using it, as I couldn't get the Hamman to look believable. Now, with the tips you guys have shared, there's hope.
Thanks
Don
Woke up.
Fell out of bed.
Dragged a comb across m' head.
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