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mrfluffy
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 9:50am
I'm hoping Osterlind's Transparent Forces is good................as I've just bought one
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Cameron Francis
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Posted: Mar 13, 2008 1:23pm
I know this may seem like a silly question but where can one learn to make a good forcing bag out of a clear Ziplock? I mean, I can think of ways but I'm not so sure what I'm thinking will work without some fumbling.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be great.
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immr1drfl
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:43am
I wish I would have seen your post earlier John because I bought the use the force bag, and it is a bag that you would get at the mall after buying a bottle of cologne, but clear.Seems very cheap.
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NateMagic
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Posted: Oct 14, 2009 4:35pm
Any idea about where I might find a Carlyle-style force bag, Ziploc, but jumbo size? Perhaps even bigger than the 2-gallon bags? Or, perhaps better and similar to Cameron's post, could someone point me in the correct direction to make one myself from those super-large ziplock bags?
Any help at all would be appreciated!
Nate
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 5:23pm
Imagine for a moment that you have a bag completely empty that can be examined. You could then have the bag filed with hand written billets that came from your audience members. The billets are mixed and one removed. IT IS YOUR FORCE BILLET. How would that be possible?
Ponder that and post your thoughts. I'll come back with how I would do it.
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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bobser
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 8:52pm
I would do a bag switch using a topit as I turned.
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Ustaad
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INDIA
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 9:38pm
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On 2011-02-19 17:23, jdmagic357 wrote:
Imagine for a moment that you have a bag completely empty that can be examined. You could then have the bag filed with hand written billets that came from your audience members. The billets are mixed and one removed. IT IS YOUR FORCE BILLET. How would that be possible?
Ponder that and post your thoughts. I'll come back with how I would do it.
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Pondering . . . . Pondering . . . . Pondered!!!  
OK, tell us what you have.
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 10:02pm
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OK, tell us what you have.
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Nope the bag would be ordinary and could be clear plastic.
Come on people, with the collective knowledge base we have here on the Café, you guys can deduce something different from the standards, can't you?
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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Ustaad
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 10:07pm
Then let's go with Bobser's idea.
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On 2011-02-19 20:52, bobser wrote:
I would do a bag switch using a topit as I turned.
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On 2011-02-19 22:02, jdmagic357 wrote:
* Nope the bag would be ordinary and could be clear plastic.
* Come on people, with the collective knowledge base we have here on the Café, you guys can deduce something different from the standards, can't you?
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OK, stop teasing and quickly get to the point. Tell us what you have to . . .
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 10:20pm
I'm going to play hard to get and wait till more people have at it. After a few days and more guesses I'll give it up in the inner thoughts section. Till then keep guessing or no show.
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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Anansi
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Posted: Feb 19, 2011 11:49pm
It depends on who has got their mitts on the bag....
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 1:20am
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On 2011-02-19 23:49, Anansi wrote:
It depends on who has got their mitts on the bag....
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That could be true? Keep going.
I like your siggy, and "it is an art to hide art".
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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baggins321
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 1:43am
I just use a clear force bag from Uday. $2.05
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Gabor
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Pécel, Hungary
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 7:15am
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On 2011-02-19 17:23, jdmagic357 wrote:
Imagine for a moment that you have a bag completely empty that can be examined. You could then have the bag filed with hand written billets that came from your audience members. The billets are mixed and one removed. IT IS YOUR FORCE BILLET. How would that be possible?
Ponder that and post your thoughts. I'll come back with how I would do it.
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After reading Switchcraft the solution cannot be a problem anymore.
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IAIN
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 7:21am
And no longer a force bag...
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Dr. Eamon
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 9:09am
Just use the ziplockback, they are easy and good...
Presentation is everything!!!
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 4:32pm
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On 2011-02-19 17:23, jdmagic357 wrote:
Imagine for a moment that you have a bag completely empty that can be examined. You could then have the bag filed with hand written billets that came from your audience members. The billets are mixed and one removed. IT IS YOUR FORCE BILLET. How would that be possible?
Ponder that and post your thoughts. I'll come back with how I would do it.
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After reading Switchcraft the solution cannot be a problem anymore.
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Well that would be one way to do it, but in what I thought of the bag actually helps the illusion, but your on the right track.
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 1:41pm
Well with no further interest in my methodology I've decided to keep this to myself. While the guesses came close, they are still enough off the mark for me to use this.
I suggest when looking for something new and different one check the older works like the Jinx for inspiration. You might also try looking in your "dead trick trunks" for something that wasn't appropriate in the past but that would work well now.
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.
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Ustaad
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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 11:45pm
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On 2011-02-22 13:41, jdmagic357 wrote:
* Well with no further interest in my methodology I've decided to keep this to myself.
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That's it  Topic closed. 
 
Goodnight all.
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jdmagic357
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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 2:09am
I'm sorry Ustaad. If you would like to continue the discussion in private, I'd be honored?
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mag1cman
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Posted: Sep 5, 2011 9:52am
Has anyone else got any experience of the Uday bag - It seems to be incredibly cheaply priced?
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Amirá
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Posted: Sep 5, 2011 10:26am
The best one is the one that I made .
Just grab a ziplock bag ( or one that is organic/normal in your context) and do your own bags.
The prop is just a prop, the real performance and the correct utilization from the tools comes from you.
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Jheff
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Posted: Sep 5, 2011 11:37pm
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I agree with Amira that it is easy to make your own clear force bags, but the one by Uday, which has three sections, is well made for a plastic force bag and probably more durable than a home-made one.
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Sanj Singh
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Posted: Sep 5, 2011 11:48pm
I am curious to hear the thoughts of those with the Uday bag in regards to the red tape on the top. To me, this isn't too much of an oddity, but I am not sure where you would find a bag like this in real life. Ziploc seems much more natural.
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Mike Ince
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Posted: Sep 5, 2011 11:50pm
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On 2011-09-05 23:37, Jheff wrote:
I agree with Amira that it is easy to make your own clear force bags, but the one by Uday, which has three sections, is well made for a plastic force bag and probably more durable than a home-made one.
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If it weren't for that dang inch-wide red plastic strip across the top the Uday bag would be the clear winner. It looks like no other plastic bag I've ever seen before. Why did it have to be a bright red plastic strip? Maybe I'm just being picky. For $3 it's a helluva bargain for a versatile tool.
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Patrick Redford
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Posted: Sep 6, 2011 5:40pm
The Uday bag is great. That said its very easy to make your own that is very durable, easy, and quick without any special equipment.
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mastermindreader
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Posted: Sep 6, 2011 5:42pm
While not widely available (although I believe it will be soon), I would highly recommend Nakul Shenoy's clear forcing bag.
It's the only one I use nowadays.
Good thoughts,
Bob
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StJohn
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Posted: Nov 30, 2011 9:50am
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On 2011-09-06 17:42, mastermindreader wrote:
While not widely available (although I believe it will be soon), I would highly recommend Nakul Shenoy's clear forcing bag.
It's the only one I use nowadays.
Good thoughts,
Bob
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I second this. Not that my opinion should have more weight than Bobs! Looks so innocent it isn't a prop and that it what counts more than anything.
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mastermindreader
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Posted: Nov 30, 2011 2:43pm
Minor correction. Nakul's is called the "Not So Clear" force bag. The set comes with three bags that appear identical. One is a two way force bag, one is a three way and the last is ungimmicked. These are expertly crafted from bubble wrap and are extremely deceptive. They can be used to hold props (paperback books, etc.) and, introduced in this manner, are very disarming.
Very highly recommended.
Bob
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Jheff
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Posted: Nov 30, 2011 3:18pm
Bob must have overlooked mentioning that you could get Nakul Shenoy's NOT SO CLEAR FORCE BAGS from me.
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