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Frego
New user
Belgium (Europe)
22 Posts
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Posted: Jan 6, 2009 1:00pm
Hi Tom!
I receaved your DVD 2 days ago. Could no wait and watched it througout...
I appreciate your... ventriloquiz. Just one mistake in my answers! You pay a worthful tribute to the greatest names!
I did not really spent a lot of time in Mexico. Perhaps because I would like to go there too...
I discovered "Dangerous" Duck with pleasure. Funny creature. And before he comes on stage, I wish I could draw a head with your talent on the Magic Board. Everytime I use it, people do laugh, but I am not sure of the reason why...
Really a special character, that Bighead.
You also get a really good collusion with that man with the mask and I find the girl rather funny too. You show a great art in "manimulating" those human puppets and do a high quality job in what you make them say...
I do not have any regrets whith your DVD. It should know a great success...
Be happy!
Frego
Frego, Belgian amateur ventriloquist
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Jan 6, 2009 6:51pm
Thank you Frego!
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Jan 6, 2009 8:07pm
Hi Tom,
Please provide the link to where I can order the DVD...thanks 
Wanlu
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Jan 6, 2009 8:09pm
Found it...ordering a copy now.
Thanks
Wanlu
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Jan 7, 2009 9:48am
Your DVD is shipping out today Wanlu. Many thanks!
Tom
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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Frego
New user
Belgium (Europe)
22 Posts
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Posted: Jan 7, 2009 12:15pm
By the way, can anyone provide me with Todd Oliver's DVD? I had made a payment in november I think but Todd could not claim it. The I made a new payment throuhg his site and here is the ansewer : "Message du marchand : sorry we do not offer international orders, here is your refund. Todd Oliver"
The surprise was huge and I would like - even if the guy does not seem to wish to sell his DVD abroad - to get it.
So if anyone can get it and send it to me I will pay what is needed...
Frego
Frego, Belgian amateur ventriloquist
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Frego
New user
Belgium (Europe)
22 Posts
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Posted: Jan 10, 2009 6:33am
Thanks, folks,
One of you (I will no say who, Todd would perhaps refuse to sell the stuff...  ) ordered the DVD for me.
Info : Il will soon add 18 japanese DVDs to my database. Some are highlights from the Jpanese Vents Convention. I should receive them in february. I will tell you how I like their performances.
Frego
Frego, Belgian amateur ventriloquist
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AC Vent
New user
New Mexico, USA
67 Posts
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Posted: Jan 28, 2009 3:27pm
Does anyone know of a source to obtain videos/dvd/s of Paul Winchell - late in life, say mid 1980's and beyond? I have heard about several taped gigs, but never have seen them for sale anywhere?
AC
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Frego
New user
Belgium (Europe)
22 Posts
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Posted: Feb 1, 2009 1:01pm
I received 18 DVDs from Japan a few days ago. Takeshi Ikeda, Chairman of the Japan Ventriloquists' Association sent them to me for a really good price. If you want to know a few things about the Japan International Festival, just go and see these DVDs on my site (http://users.skynet.be/jlgeoffroy/). A lot of interesting things on them. I have not watched all of them, of course, but I peeped an eye on a series and I will spend some time to watch everything...
Frego
Frego, Belgian amateur ventriloquist
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 4:22pm
Crystal Miller has a new DVD out - I got it on eBay - should have waited as she has realeased more of them and they now go for a third of what I paid. That said - she does an adult comedy show that has some language, but she knows her audience and they enjoy her. I've watched most of it, and plan on watching the rest soon. If you are interested in a copy, do an eBay search for Ventriloquist DVD and it should come up.
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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magicmanbr
New user
Brazil
12 Posts
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 8:43pm
I saw this DVD tacrowl... Just don´t bought it beacuse I do not live in USA
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Ventriloquist living in Brazil!
http://www.twitter.com/ilogico
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Feb 4, 2009 10:33pm
Hi Frego,
Thanks for including my DVD in your collection
It's a kiddie birthday party hosting workshop but we did tackle the topic of adding puppets in an act Plus my figure Don Dominador was in the workshop and my vent mentor Ony Carcamo and his figure Mr Parley performed as well.
http://users.skynet.be/jlgeoffroy/ventriloquie/vendtidvd12.htm
http://wanlu.net/workshop.html
3 copies left in case anybody else wants a copy
Thanks again,
Wanlu
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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Bob Baker
Special user
579 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 7:27pm
I watched Ryan Bomgardner's "Ryan and Friends--Keeping My Mouth Shut" DVD last night. He seems like a very pleasant young man, but I found the DVD barely watchable. For me, it was bland to the point of excruciating boredom. I think I cracked half a smile once and laughed never. The material struck me as formulaic, the characters routine and uninteresting. His figure manipulation is very good, but his lip control is merely OK.
Now, his audience seemed to love him and laughed heartily at lines that struck me as barely funny. I suspect that he and I have different audiences, but if I tried that material for my audiences, I'd be booed off the stage. But then, if I tried my material on his audiences, I'd probably be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.
Now, one of the reasons I love this board is that everyone is so supportive of everyone else, and threads with negative tones are few and far between. So I apologize if I've offended anyone by writing negative comments, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Bob
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 7:38pm
Hi Bob,
I have a DVD coming out hopefully this year...it's a new concept (I think)
Anyway...just want to let you know that if you want a copy, it's already SOLD OUT...OUT OF STOCK...even DISCONTINUED
Thanks
Wanlu
P.S.
If you find Ryan's DVD boring...my DVD will just kill you...LITERALLY It will bore you out of this planet.
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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AC Vent
New user
New Mexico, USA
67 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 7:54pm
I haven't seen the DVD spoken about....but..
Without naming names, (don't worry Wanlu, it's not you, nor anyone else on this board, I love everybody, and everyone is great here.....)
I have seen MANY recorded performances on the web, and even on websites by supposedly "pro vents", that sucked beyond sucking. Boring, unfunny, truly horrible!
And of course, the worse you are the more likely the press is gonna come find you, and report to the masses on ya...which hurts us all...
It makes ya think being a pro vent oughta be like drivin' a car - license required!
Watching some of these lame videos that are out there, then watch Bergen, Winchell, Nelson, Fator, Dunham...etc etc.....you can easily see the difference. They make it look SO easy, with the whole package's....material, manipulation, etc....
I can only HOPE that as I attempt to go pro after my years of being an amateur, I don't fall into this same trap - another lame vent pretending he knows what he is doing.
In my opinion, the NUMBER ONE thing to master first in becoming a vent is COMEDY......I would rather see the worst lip control, worst manipulation, etc, with someone who is truly funny, that some of the vents that are currently out there.
I am currently video taping myself regularly, and trying to critique myself - yeah right, rave on McDuff, rave on McDuff....time will tell, time will tell.... ; )
AC
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 8:10pm
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On 2009-02-22 19:54, AC Vent wrote:
...In my opinion, the NUMBER ONE thing to master first in becoming a vent is COMEDY...I would rather see the worst lip control, worst manipulation, etc, with someone who is truly funny, that some of the vents that are currently out there.
I am currently video taping myself regularly, and trying to critique myself - yeah right, rave on McDuff, rave on McDuff....time will tell, time will tell.... ; )
AC
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Vent comedy with no lip control at all would only lead to Otto and George...and John Pizzi. They will both crack you up. I think both Otto and John but specially John can perform with better lip control, they just don't see why they have to if they are so freakingly funny already John manipulates his figures very well...while Otto swings George like crazy yet that makes the act more funny
Check out Mr Bob Abdou's video at Vent Central...the one with the Marshall replica, the lip control is not exactly nice but the act is hysterical.
Wanlu
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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Ony Carcamo
Elite user
Manila, PHILIPPINES
413 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 8:30pm
I agree. Comedy is more important than lip control. And I mean comedy that kills!
But if your comedy only means five-six people laughing and the rest of the audience are yawning, it's not killing. Killing means 5-6 big laughs per minute, at the very least. Look at Jeff Dunham and Otto and George.
I know it's a mighty big task for us. Live comedy is really hard work. It takes so much time, patience, and great thinking. We need to perform and try our materials in front of live audiences in every opportunity we have. There's no short cut. I learned that many big time comics produce only around 10-15 minutes of NEW killer material after trying 1 to 2 hours of new material in 3-6 months of regular performances and trials.
Ony Carcamo
PHILIPPINES
www.onycarcamo.com
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Wanlu
Inner circle
Manila, Philippines
2163 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 9:02pm
Hi Ony...Killer comedy is a lot easier watched than performed Jeff's LPM is amazing.
Back to the topic:
Vent DVD's
I'm planning to make one...I think it's a new concept. Well, maybe not entirely new
STREET VENTRILOQUISM ala Street magic ...I'll take footages inside the bus, train, the mall, the streets, hospitals...etc etc etc...we might even join a political rally.!
"The Old Path"
www.angdatingdaan.org
Wanlu's Ventrillusion- Visual and Vocal Illusions
www.wanlu.net
Wanlu's Custom Made Puppets
http://kadoopsypuppets.multiply.com/
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Bob Baker
Special user
579 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 9:40pm
Back off the topic:
Yes. Comedy. COMEDY. COMEDY!! Ony is right. It is very hard to develop material. Do I say the line this way or that way? Which of two words is funnier? The only way to know is by trial and error in performance after performance.
BUT...
If you're going to be a ventriloquist, you owe your audience the best technique you can achieve. This means lip control, figure manipulation, character development, acting. Otherwise, the illusion of two characters interacting is diminished, as is the Art.
Bob
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Feb 22, 2009 10:01pm
Bob,
When I started this thread, I was hoping to get reviews just like the one you posted. I also feel that Ryan's somewhat bland. To me, his comedy(?) moves at a very slow pacing. I find it predictable with generic delivery and very tough to watch.
But I'm not his target audience.
Ryan does seem like a great guy. I've talked with people who have worked with him and they all liked his act. He obviously has good connection with his audience. That's why I find DVD's so valuable. I try to study how the performer connects with their audience. You never know when you will find a gem of an interaction method that can help if you get into an interesting situation.
Thanks for the review!
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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Neale Bacon
Inner circle
Burnaby BC Canada
1507 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 12:58am
Ryan who?
Neale Bacon Ventriloquist
and his Crazy Critters
Burnaby BC
www.baconandfriends.com
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Ony Carcamo
Elite user
Manila, PHILIPPINES
413 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 1:08am
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On 2009-02-22 21:40, Bob Baker wrote:
Back off the topic:
Yes. Comedy. COMEDY. COMEDY!! Ony is right. It is very hard to develop material. Do I say the line this way or that way? Which of two words is funnier? The only way to know is by trial and error in performance after performance.
BUT...
If you're going to be a ventriloquist, you owe your audience the best technique you can achieve. This means lip control, figure manipulation, character development, acting. Otherwise, the illusion of two characters interacting is diminished, as is the Art.
Bob
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Bob and all,
I think we have to start a new thread on this... developing comedy material. We can learn from the insights of everyone here as we are all audiences and performers.
Start it, Bob!
Ony
Ony Carcamo
PHILIPPINES
www.onycarcamo.com
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Matt_24
New user
100 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 6:49am
Ryan is a 'gospel ventriloquist' so his type of humor is exactly what a church-going crowd would be going for. So, in that aspect he "plays to his audience" which is the right thing to do as an entertainer.
You're right though...he would not last 2 seconds in a Comedy Club, but I don't get the impression that is where he would ever want to perform anyhow.
I have a DVD of another gospel vent....and his lip control was superb. His figure was superb. His material......99% taken from other acts. I couldn't believe it. I thought, "Wow..he has been doing this for years, and put out a DVD...and none of the material is original." I mean...if my entire act was stolen - I wouldn't put a DVD out.
Bob - I enjoyed your tape on YOUTUBE. Funny stuff!
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 9:25am
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I have a DVD of another gospel vent....and his lip control was superb. His figure was superb. His material......99% taken from other acts. I couldn't believe it. I thought, "Wow..he has been doing this for years, and put out a DVD...and none of the material is original." I mean...if my entire act was stolen - I wouldn't put a DVD out.
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Matt,
Glad you didn't mention names there. I'd like to offer a slightly different view of that thought.
As a full time performer, I've worked with and traded lots of material with other acts from all the variety arts. I've also gotten permission to re-write routines based on their original concept. I also use a fair share of "stock lines". So the question would be, how would anyone know if the vent you discussed 'stole' material and didn't trade, or use material purchased in a script form that has also been adapted by others. They wouldn't unless they directly asked the act or acts involved.
Just because we see someone do something "first", doesn't mean they originated the concept or routine.
Most acts create BOR sales items based on requests from the audience, not to show other vents what they do. Audiences purchase these because they liked the show or want to help out the performer. They do not care if the material is generic. The fact that there is a secondary market of ventriloquists is kind of a bonus.
Again, just another way to look at that.
Tom
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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magicgeorge
Inner circle
Belfast
2999 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 10:14am
Hello,
I would heartily reccommend John (Kimmo) Kimmon's new DVD talk to the hand.(available from http://www.kimmo.co.uk/)
Although it is being sold to the market of children/family performers it contains 5 great vent performances that could be adapted for any audience. There is also a voice-over on the vent routines explaining his thoughts behind how he approaches them. The animation on the boy and chimp puppets is marvelous. It also contains one of the best drawing board routines I have seen to date.
George
Magician Belfast
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Bob Baker
Special user
579 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 11:18am
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On 2009-02-23 06:49, Matt_24 wrote:
Bob - I enjoyed your tape on YOUTUBE. Funny stuff!
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Thanks so much, Matt. Interestingly, that was the first public performance of that material with that figure. I like to think over that over the past year I've improved it. Took out what wasn't working, added new stuff. And I must confess that Lucille's character has become even more "out there" since then.
Bob
P.S. Ony--you're on!
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Matt_24
New user
100 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 12:45pm
Tom,
Big difference between the stock lines that vents use - and an entire routine verbatim. Mighty big difference. And for those who pm'd, I would never tell the guys name, because I actually think the world of him. Great vent, great person...and that is that. And hey, I know everyone isn't a comedy writer. You think Dunham writes ALL of his material. Think again. Now, I'm sure he has developed a vast majority of it over the years, but he also pays professionals for good material. Worth every penny too! Writing jokes is hard... I've been trying, LOL.
While we're talking about great stock lines, I love the stock line Bob Baker used.
"I give you the illusion of life."
"Well, I give you the illusion of talent."
I ALWAYS laugh at that!!!
Matt
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Bob Baker
Special user
579 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 3:54pm
Stock line???!!! I swear on my (7) children I thought I came up with that myself years ago. I never knowingly use stock lines. Oh, well. I'm sure the guy who invented the wheel thought he came up with that, too.
B
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tacrowl
Special user
Maryland
770 Posts
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Posted: Feb 23, 2009 5:02pm
You are completely right there Matt - didn't read the earlier post as taking the whole routine verbatim. Sorry.
BTW - When I talked with Jeff last summer he mentioned he was working on a fourth DVD. This was right after he finished taping the Christmas special. I asked him how many writers he worked with - he said none. Right...
Lets take this over to Bob's new thread - and keep DVD reviews here. It looks like it will be an interesting discussion!
Tom Crowl - Comedy Ventriloquist
www.ComedyVentriloquist.com
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kimmo
Special user
Sheffield
874 Posts
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Posted: Feb 25, 2009 8:17pm
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On 2009-02-23 10:14, magicgeorge wrote:
Hello,
I would heartily reccommend John (Kimmo) Kimmon's new DVD talk to the hand.(available from http://www.kimmo.co.uk/)
Although it is being sold to the market of children/family performers it contains 5 great vent performances that could be adapted for any audience. There is also a voice-over on the vent routines explaining his thoughts behind how he approaches them. The animation on the boy and chimp puppets is marvelous. It also contains one of the best drawing board routines I have seen to date.
George
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Thanks for that review George!!
You can watch the promo for my DVD here
CLICK HERE for my order page
John
www.kimmo.co.uk
Kimmo DVD available Now!
Watch the promo here!
Order your copy NOW! CLICK HERE!
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