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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 1:10am
Hi everyone, I just finished my marketing ideas book with lots of great ideas for magicians and entertainers to make more money. The ebook has over 100 innovative ideas and lots of cool web resources. It sells for just $10, as it wanted to make it cheap enough so anybody can afford it. Let me know if anyone has any questions, or PM me if interested or post here. Thanks.
Josh
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10981 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 1:48am
Who are you exactly?
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 1:57am
I was a full time magician for a number of years, but I am not sure what else you are refferring to.
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1740 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 2:14am
Could you supply a bit more information about your product so we have a better idea as to what is included and who is telling us how to be more successful please?
Thank You.
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10981 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 2:52am
I guess I am getting at the fact that a mystery poster is asking us to take advice and we have nothing to compare it too.
If you gave us some indication of who you are and how these things will help us make decisions, and where your background lies, we could then see what qualifies you to sell marketing products.
Full time magician for a number of years, and was? What is that number?
You are being very vague for a guy selling marketing tools.
Why does it shock you that we would like to simply know who you are and a bit about what you are selling?
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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bubbleburst2004
Veteran user
336 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 3:07am
Do the people who gave you "crazy marketing ideas" a week ago
get a free copy of the book?
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=244460&forum=44&26
Actually, are those ideas in the book?
bb
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Timothy Drake
Inner circle
2104 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 3:13am
Hello Josh,
I'm afraid I have to side with my fellow skeptics here. It seems strange that someone has a product to sell but wants to remain anonymous. No contact info, no complete name, no website...nothing. From a marketing standpoint it just doesn't make sense.
As performers we are used to having to show our goods to clients in order for them to take us seriously and understand we have what it takes to back up the talk.
I'm not doubting your book or the advice in it. I'm simply saying we see WAY to many newbies who want to make a quick buck selling advice to others here on the web when the truth is they have nothing real to offer. We just can't take them serious unless they will show us their product comes from experience and knowledge that we may benefit from. An empty profile is not the way to do this.
Best,
Tim
Day 22
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 9:37am
Sorry for the vagueness guys, as I was on my way out to see my father in the hospital and just wrote it up quickly to add later. My name is Josh Gair and I was a full time magician for 7 years. That may not seem like a long time and it isn't as I am young, just 23 yrs old. I can already see the onslaught of people questioning my young age and experience. All I can say is, I was ignorant and busted my a** and I suppose that is how I did magic in restaurants and close up full time for 7 years as I started in high school. I used to live in new jersey where I was mentored by Bob Little. I now live in orlando florida and now run a talent booking agency, booking local entertainers for various companies which I enjoy very much. I also helped come up with some magic tricks for local magic shops like daytona magic, but my experience is that I made my living with magic full time for a while, but I learned a lot of things while failing to figure out what worked and what didn't. I initially wrote the ebook for myself just to keep track of all my ideas and that was it and then thought others could benefit. I hope we can all help each other. The book does not have a website as it is just $10 so I did not bother with one. The book has some cool innovative ideas to get bookings, some core fundamentals and great websites to use and help with bookings. The web resource www.freebooksforall.com is one of the links in the book and I think this alone may be worth $10. Oh well, I am going to have easter with my father. I truly hope that when I come back to read here, it is not world war 7 in regards to critizing everything about me. I am not an info marketer selling a $395 course, just a guy who worked hard and got some breaks early in life. Thanks and if anyone is not happy with the $10 ebook I will refund their money.
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 10:13am
Here are another couple freebie websites with tons of creative marketing ideas for any business that you can adapt, although my book is not all websites, just the back portion which has a good number of them. These are from the book, but I hope everyone benefits from the info on them.
www.stuff4business.com
www.copyblogger.com
http://www.hellomynameisscott.blogspot.com/
www.frugalmarketing.com - read the marketing tips archive.
www.makeuseof.com - go to the tools section for top 100 new web applications and new wesbites as there are some neat tools for business, free.
http://improveyourinternetmarketing.com/
I hope these are helpful.
Josh
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10981 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 3:22pm
Well I wouldn't expect to sell too many LOL.
"Got breaks early"? How do you teach that exactly?
I remember the good old days when people with experience in what they were writing about wrote books.
Oh well I am nostalgic I guess. But then again nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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joshlondon17
Special user
San Diego, CA
685 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 3:55pm
It's funny that you post a link to a website (www.freebooksforall.com) and under the "business books" link there is a title about 4-5 books down that says "60 Effective book marketing ideas" or something like that. Here's a direct link: http://www.bestsellingauthor.com/downloads/BestsellingAuthor-60EffectiveStrategies.pdf
Josh, maybe you should read that ebook before trying to sell yours. I have no doubt (maybe some since you don't have a website or any personal info) that you busted your a**, but we all did and are currently still doing it.
I am pursing a career as a physician while working full time, going to school full time and doing 2-3 speaking engagements a month. I'm quite busy and barely have time to do much of anything.
So for someone like yourself to say "I got breaks early" is a slap in the face to people like me who've worked hard for everything they have and who will continue to work hard.
If your are such a great marketer than you might want to put a little more effort into marketing your ebook the right way. Because, Josh, what you are doing is the wrong way and you'll sell nothing. Plus, people who make money by running their own entertainment company don't really need to sell $10 marketing books with little ideas to magicians. And, what ideas of yours are worth noting? The way you can add OTHER PEOPLE'S websites to your book?
Josh London
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 4:21pm
Figures, what I meant by lucky breaks was it depends on what you call lucky breaks. So people think being in the right place at the right time is lucky. I do not NEED to sell little $10 books to magicians, just thought I would try to help some people out. I am not going to debate this, as I am too busy. When you guys want to have an intelligent conversation, let me know. Noting a website of someone's does not make it less credible. Now I know why pros do not come to the Café on a regular basis.
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1740 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 4:42pm
Thanks Josh for the additional info... I hope you do not think I was being "critical" in any way shape or form. I was not. Only "curious" as to who I was going to take some helpful advice from so I know how to ‘frame’ it in my learning mix.
Count ME IN for a copy.
Who do I send my PayPal to?
Thinking of YOU and Your Success!
I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano (like to know who is speaking) in Reno
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magicofCurtis
Inner circle
Los Angeles
1645 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:09pm
Milste,
I think anyone sharing any type of experience and collective ideas for just ten bucks is a great deal!
Curtis Lovell II
www.MagicofCurtis.com
www.myspace.com/magicofCurtis
Los Angeles CA USA
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:29pm
Dean,
Your copy has been emailed to you as an attachment. I sent the book to Results@TheDean.net . I also sent you the invoice for paypal.com payment in email form. You can pay thru that. Let me know if you have any questions or need more help.
P.S. I had a feeling you would want one as the pros know how cheap it is for the info and I am not getting rich off it.
JOsh
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millste
Regular user
110 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:30pm
Thanks curtis. Let me know if you need help with anything at all.
Josh
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1740 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 5:40pm
Yeah... I just chcked my eMail and saw it there, but you knew that. Hehehehe!
Thanks!
I will send you the PayPal from a diffeent Account than you send to... no biggy, just look for it in about an hour.
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magicofCurtis
Inner circle
Los Angeles
1645 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 7:41pm
Dean,
Your reviews?
Curtis Lovell II
www.MagicofCurtis.com
www.myspace.com/magicofCurtis
Los Angeles CA USA
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1740 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2008 10:54pm
I've got it... and I will get to it as soon as I can.
"Service" was good. This always the best way to start!
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Tim Ellis
V.I.P.
Melbourne, Australia
1108 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:57am
Is it anything like this course?
http://insidersuccesssecretsofthemillionaire.blogspot.com/
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www.timellismagic.com
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Gerry Walkowski
Elite user
443 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:19am
Tim:
That'll set magic back 30 years.
Gerry
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Lyndel
Inner circle
wrote the theme to the TV show COPS!
1602 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 8:48am
Hi Josh,
I'm also in Orlando, Florida and have a pretty good working relationship with most of the talent agents, but I have never ran across you before.
Because of many unscrupulous "talent agencies" exist all talent agencies here in Florida must be state licensed, I attempted to do a talent agent license check through the Florida Department of Professional Business Regulation's web site at http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pro/talent/index.html using your name, but no results were found. Is your talent agency under someone elses name? Are you licensed?
I may wish to submit some promotional materials, but I just want to make sure you are a legitimate agent first.
Regards,
Lyndel
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Johnnie Blaze
Loyal user
205 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:30am
Well to be honest I kinda skimmed through this post .. it is about marketing , and how we should do it .. for stsrters he could not even begin to convince me or anyone else for that matter that he has a clue as to what he is talking about. don't you think if you knew anything about marketing , you would have a WAY better start to marketing your marketing ideas
still clueless
John
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Tim Ellis
V.I.P.
Melbourne, Australia
1108 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 4:33pm
This is Josh's agency http://www.impactentertains.com/
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www.timellismagic.com
Visit our online shop for instant downloads and ebooks
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Tim Ellis
V.I.P.
Melbourne, Australia
1108 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 4:34pm
And here's a picture of Josh http://www.redcarpetmonday.com/user_profile.php?userid=1806
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10981 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 4:40pm
How can he be in the business for over a decade? (that is 10 years right?) and be only 23?
I am suspicious already. But I will continue to look.
The list of "celebrities" seems sparce, and not really top notch. KC and the Sunshine band?
At least they return phone calls quickly LOL.
Good luck Josh.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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joshlondon17
Special user
San Diego, CA
685 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 8:55pm
I think Johnnie summed up this thread pretty well. That was what I was getting at, but he articulated it better.
Danny, maybe Josh has been booking/performing shows for 10 years. Seems a little long, but what do we know?
Myself, I did my first paid performance purley by dumb luck at 15 for Sony. My dad worked at Sony and introduced me to the VP of the San Diego division at a summer picnic and I did a 30 minute show a few months later. Maybe that is what Josh means when he talks about "getting an early break." I view it as stupid-dumb-luck. But...I've been performing for 8 years now.
I think it's interesting Josh really isn't defending his honor or AT LEAST giving us some marketing advice... other that other business websites.
jl
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joshlondon17
Special user
San Diego, CA
685 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 8:56pm
Just noticed I have 666 posts and I don't want that curse, excuse this post, haha
jl
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nucinud
Inner circle
Long Island, New York
1222 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 9:53pm
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On 2008-03-24 08:48, Lyndel wrote:
Because of many unscrupulous "talent agencies" exist all talent agencies here in Florida must be state licensed, I attempted to do a talent agent license check through the Florida Department of Professional Business Regulation's web site at http://www.myflorida.com/dbpr/pro/talent/index.html using your name, but no results were found. Is your talent agency under someone else's name? Are you licensed?
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By not finding him on the official site, you answered your own question Lyndel.
"We are what we pretend to be" Kurt Vonnegut, jr.
Now U C It Now U Don't
Harry Mandel
www.mandelmagic.com
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Lyndel
Inner circle
wrote the theme to the TV show COPS!
1602 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 10:00pm
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On 2008-03-24 21:53, nucinud wrote:
By not finding him on the official site, you answered your own question Lyndel.
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Yep... Just letting other folks know what I found out...
It's the former law enforcement experience in me that drives me to verify things like that...
Lyndel
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