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Paddy
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Milford OH
842 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 8:20am
Has anyone ever heard of the "Onion" method of marketing athat Paul Pacific supposedly uses? Ran across a reference on another forum and had never heard of it before.
Peter
Performing wonders of the world with skill and artistry
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FunTimeAl
Special user
873 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 8:39am
I had a long series of PMs and phone conversations with Paul about this very method Peter.
To put it simply, it's brilliant.
As you and I live so close together, I must tell you as a friend that I WILL NOT share it with you and will now call up Paul to notify him that you are not one to be advised.
No offense sir. But that's my corner of the market in this town. 2 guys just can't use it with each being successful.
All I can tell you is that I've completely stopped the cold calls, my marketing budget was cut by 3/4 and my bookings have remained steady.
Perhaps if you PROMISE not to use it, then we could meet for coffee and I'll summarize it for you just to satisfy your curiosity. I like you as a friend, but you can not edge into this being so close in proximity to me.
Paul is a genious though. I'm planning on driving up to meeting with him this summer, just so I can shake the man's hand...err...foot (I guess). Truthfully, he's a bit of an odd sort...but I'd assume all genious's are. Dunno.
Even with a master's degree in math, I've never run into anyone who could take the summation of so many complex variables and boil them down into one easy cheesy, lemon squeezy marketing formula.
I was not even skeptical to try it. It seemed so ummm, organic in nature. What's best, all it took was time to try. Really, there is NO cost involved...aside from the donation I made to Paul himself (even after his insistance that I not). However, the money I've saved thus far dwarfs the small tribute of thanks that I offered him.
OK, I've said too much already. Call me for our coffee date and I'll share a glimpse of this plan if you PROMISE to leave it alone after that.
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johnnymystic
Inner circle
North Adams Ma.
1583 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 10:38am
Chad, from what I've heard Paul is in No need of money of any kind from any of us anyways, but that was a nice offer on your part.
Guess I'm gonna hafta give Paul a call and try to get him to continue our conversation regarding his method, it sounds fricken brilliant and easy too.
Isn't he goona put this out in a book or something, wish he'd chime in here.
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
I cannot eat hot wings...acid reflux
I never inhale 
I can put a field dress on a deer
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Al Angello
Inner circle
Collegeville, Pa. USA
6365 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:04am
Wait a minute bare foot Paul Pacific has a marketing strategy, and he is giving it away to people who call him up. It is absolutely unheard of to have a new idea and not wanting to get rich on it. It can't possibly work, this is too good to be true, where is that bare foot prophet, I want to speak to him?
"There's a big old goofy man
dancing with a big old goofy girl
OOHHHH baby
It's a big old goofy world"
John Prine
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James Munton
Special user
Dallas, TX
893 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:47am
Actually, Chad, the best part about the Onion is that if there are two of you doing it correctly in the same area, you'll feed off each other and get MORE bookings.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but then so is everything else about the method!
But I'm not sure Paul would appreciate it being discussed here. I would be shocked (and disappointed) if he releases this. Have you heard anything specific?
James Munton
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Al Angello
Inner circle
Collegeville, Pa. USA
6365 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:52am
James
This is too funny.
"There's a big old goofy man
dancing with a big old goofy girl
OOHHHH baby
It's a big old goofy world"
John Prine
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FunTimeAl
Special user
873 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 12:23pm
I have to disagree whole heartedly James.
If those 2 were working the Onion as a team and actually coordinating efforts, then I'd be inclined to agree that there may in fact be exponential growth.
However, 2 guys working independent of each other would ruin the effect for both. (I think). Actually, I don't really know if this is true. Maybe it is counter-intuitve like you say.
I just wouldn't wanna try it. Not that it would cost any $...but if it ruined my current marketing scheme, then it would cost me $ to go back to the old method of mailings, uping my Google ranking, cold calling, etc...
That's too much of a risk.
And gosh, I hope Paul doesn't write a book on this. The method can not be taught in a book anyway. We'd just end up with a lot of hacks messing things up and ruining it for the rest of us.
...kinda like a micro-cosm of the magic world 
Al, you're a member of this staff. Lock this topic and burn the remains. I'm gettin' antsy with this being on a public forum.
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Jim Snack
Inner circle
1231 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 12:38pm
The Onion approach is incredible, but even better is when you combine it with the Pepper approach. I learned that one from an old Italian magician. Just be prepared for a hard role however.
Jim
Jim Snack
"Helping Magicians Succeed"
www.success-in-magic.com
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1498 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:09pm
Jim,
I don't know what the "Onion" method is but if it's anything like the "Paprika" method I learned in the early 90's....heck...I'd pay that $10.00 Ebook fee any day. 
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Al Angello
Inner circle
Collegeville, Pa. USA
6365 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:38pm
I like the idea of a marketing technique that is a secret. Good one Paul
"There's a big old goofy man
dancing with a big old goofy girl
OOHHHH baby
It's a big old goofy world"
John Prine
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magicofCurtis
Inner circle
Los Angeles
1644 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:45pm
Hmm combine the onion and the pepper and fry them in a pan and it will make a yummy snack...
Curtis Lovell II
www.MagicofCurtis.com
www.myspace.com/magicofCurtis
Los Angeles CA USA
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10590 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:45pm
I like the very idea of Paul marketing at ALL! Now THAT Is funny.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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Paddy
Special user
Milford OH
842 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:47pm
Chad, I'll call you and we'll talk!
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
10590 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:08pm
Well I was trying to be mischevious as I really don't like Paul at all. So in the spirit of keeping me not banned, I was joking.
Paul certainly has kept this under wraps so to speak. Chad no worries, like most methods that work, this one will not leak out. People won't believe it can be done this way and won't even try. I think you are pretty safe.
I can't really agree with James though either. Not sure how that would be benificial as if you are doing it alone, you can sort of book others and take a comission. Maybe James has a new twist though I am not familiar with.
It will keep you very busy though, this is true.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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Tom Riddle
Special user
Chelsea, UK
507 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:33pm
Unfortunately, this may no longer be a secret. I have inside information that a prominent magic dealer over in England has got wind of the Onion method, and may shortly be releasing the entire system, cleverly disguised under a different name. All I can say at this stage is keep a look out for "The Clumsy Carrot" in the smalls section of a certain weekly publication.
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"
Thomas Williamson Riddle III
Chelsea, UK
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1558 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:44pm
The Onion Method... that stinky Ol' thing?
Looks like someone Got a $10.00 eBook and is using some of the ideas there!
Things tha make ya' go Hmmmmmmmmm...
Deano (Much ado about nothing) in Reno
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PS
Funny thing... there REALLY IS an "Onion Method" out there.
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johnnymystic
Inner circle
North Adams Ma.
1583 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:09pm
Dean, looks like another story of independent thinking when it comes to the name.
I just got off the phone with Paul and I'm stoked and cannot wait to start trying out some of the techniques Paul mentioned to me, he didn't have much time to chat though as he was on his way out the door.
I just wish I could've known about this stuff years ago.
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
I cannot eat hot wings...acid reflux
I never inhale
I can put a field dress on a deer
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Al Angello
Inner circle
Collegeville, Pa. USA
6365 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:14pm
I am going to PM Paul, and after he tells me the onion secret I'm tellen nobody. Not Danny, James, or Chad.
"There's a big old goofy man
dancing with a big old goofy girl
OOHHHH baby
It's a big old goofy world"
John Prine
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Lyndel
Inner circle
wrote the theme to the TV show COPS!
1596 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:22pm
Onion method... I'm cryin' over here! LOL!
Lyndel
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johnnymystic
Inner circle
North Adams Ma.
1583 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:34pm
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On 2008-03-24 13:38, Al Angello wrote:
I like the idea of a marketing technique that is a secret. Good one Paul
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Al, the thing is...the secret is getting out there to a few other individuals and that's what worries some who would like this to be kept under the radar.
And to others, Paul Pacific has apparently been using these techniques for quite some time now and his revolutionary theories are as original and unique as I've ever heard on the matter.
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
I cannot eat hot wings...acid reflux
I never inhale
I can put a field dress on a deer
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TheDean
Inner circle
Reno, Nevada
1558 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 6:50pm
OK... wink, wink.
My $10.00 was well spent.
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petekoloz
Loyal user
USA
255 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 7:19pm
I learned it from Paul quite some time ago.
I applied it to my grindshows and have consistently
outgrossed all my competitors since.
I would be willing to pay Paul an annual fee NOT to publish it.
I get the feeling I'm not alone in this perspective.
PK
If I had to live my life over, I'd live over a saloon. ( W. C. Fields)
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0pus
Special user
New Jersey
983 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 9:15am
You people are being petty in wanting to keep this method to yourselves. You only understand half of the method. As with all good marketing programs, it will not only give the practitioner a larger piece of the market, it will also enlarge the market. Thus, having several marketers using the same method should not hurt any of them, except, of course, those marketing inferior products.
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nucinud
Inner circle
Long Island, New York
1211 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 9:35am
Okay guys here is what I found on google, the whole paper costs $24.95. This the free teaser:
Abstract
As the conception of what marketing is has evolved, so must the methods of inquiry also evolve. Marketing now is viewed as a socially constructed enterprise. Thus, what is needed are inputs from the humanistic modes of inquiry developed specifically to address socially constructed phenomena. The author discusses three central aspects of humanistic inquiry, (1) the philosophy and metaphysic of humanism, (2) the methodology of humanistic research, and (3) the criteria appropriate for evaluating studies conducted in the humanistic mode. Humanistic inquiry is compared specifically with the positivist approach currently used by most marketing researchers. Guidelines are provided to assist researchers who may wish to implement the humanistic approach in their own research programs.
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0pus
Special user
New Jersey
983 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 9:47am
Nucinud,
That paper isn't the marketing method under discussion. It is an academic paper aimed at forcing traditional market reearch into a "humanistic" model. That is fine for researchers, but not particularly useful for practical application. People interested in the marketing method under discussion should not be misled.
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petekoloz
Loyal user
USA
255 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 12:04pm
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On 2008-03-25 09:15, 0pus wrote:
You people are being petty in wanting to keep this method to yourselves...
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There is nothing petty about the figures
this system produces.
Or the cheque I just sent to Paul.
PK
If I had to live my life over, I'd live over a saloon. ( W. C. Fields)
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FunTimeAl
Special user
873 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 12:11pm
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On 2008-03-25 09:15, 0pus wrote:
You people are being petty in wanting to keep this method to yourselves. You only understand half of the method. As with all good marketing programs, it will not only give the practitioner a larger piece of the market, it will also enlarge the market. Thus, having several marketers using the same method should not hurt any of them, except, of course, those marketing inferior products.
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This quote reminds me of the movie "Beautiful Mind". Russell Crowe was portraying the whacko math genious and created this concept.
It's too risky to try. I don't believe it'll work. I'm with Pete on this...I'd pay Paul NOT to reveal it any more.
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0pus
Special user
New Jersey
983 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 12:57pm
Peter and Chad --
You have no confidence in your own ability.
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nucinud
Inner circle
Long Island, New York
1211 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 2:45pm
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On 2008-03-25 09:47, 0pus wrote:
Nucinud,
That paper isn't the marketing method under discussion. It is an academic paper aimed at forcing traditional market reearch into a "humanistic" model. That is fine for researchers, but not particularly useful for practical application. People interested in the marketing method under discussion should not be misled.
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Sorry I did not mean to misdirect. Force of habit
"We are what we pretend to be" Kurt Vonnegut, jr.
Now U C It Now U Don't
Harry Mandel
www.mandelmagic.com
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FunTimeAl
Special user
873 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 3:38pm
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On 2008-03-25 12:57, 0pus wrote:
Peter and Chad --
You have no confidence in your own ability.
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Funny thing Opus...I have enought confidense to show my face in my avatar
What, is that some attorney thing?
Hey, let's go work a pitch together sometime...then tell me about my confidence...okay dokay there buddy boy?
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