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What's the history of scotch and soda?

I heard it was in BOBO's under "Big Copper and Silver", but I can't find it. I also heard that Connie Hayden had a part in it, and the name "Scotch and Soda" is the name of the routine only, and not the coin set.

Someone told me that Downs did a dime/penny trick similar to Scotch and Soda.

But whose coins are these?

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A little history thanks to GOOGLE;
Scotch and Soda is a magic effect involving a copper coin and a silver coin which appear to transpose in the spectator's hands. The effect relies on simple gimmick and the tricks performed with it are self-working and require almost no skill. The trick is named after the cocktail Scotch and soda; the copper coin represents the "Scotch" and the silver coin represents the "soda".

The effect is usually performed as follows: The magician displays two coins of almost equal size, one copper and one silver. The silver coin is most often a U.S. half dollar and the copper coin is usually either an English penny or a Mexican centavo. The magician stacks the coins and places them into the spectator's hand. He then asks her to place her hands behind her back and put one coin in each hand, remarking that the silver coin is slightly larger than the copper coin, making them easy to tell apart. The magician asks to see the silver coin which the spectator produces. When the spectator opens her other hand, the copper coin has become a quarter. The copper coin can then be made to appear wherever the magician desires, such as in the spectator's pocket or under an object across the room.

Scotch and Soda is a popular trick that can be purchased at many magic stores. The trick contains a set of two gimmicked coins and an authentic copper coin. A number of books exclusively on the subject describe different effects that can be achieved with the Scotch and Soda gimmick. Gin and tonic is a version of the trick using a dime and a penny.
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That's not actually history. It's a description of the trick and it's not completly accurate.

1) the two coins the spectator is aware of at the beginning should be of sizes that are easily discernable by sight and touch as being different.

2) in most versions, the coins are a half dollar and a 20 Cvo, or a half dollar and some other coin that is about the same size as a 20 Cvo. Viking had some special coins made for the purpose. A one of the Sacajawea dollars would also work very well.

3) historically, the coin trick seems to have surfaced around 1970. In 1973, I invented an ungimmicked version of it that is regarded by many as much better than the gaffed coin version.

The Scotch and Soda name comes from the idea that you will bet the victim a drink if you lose the bet.

Gin and Tonic is a routine that developed from Scotch and Soda, using the dime and penny gimmick as you have pointed out.

When looking through Bobo for particular tricks, remember there are two Bobo books. There is Modern Coin Magic and The New Modern Coin Magic which is an expanded version of the first book.

There is a new chapter in the second book on tricks with gimmicked coins. There are a couple of routines that are similar in principal to Scotch and Soda, but the actual trick does not appear in either book.

Posted: Apr 4, 2008 12:24am
More about the Scotch and Soda history. It's not in either version of Bobo, but I recall George Kirkendall telling me about some Scotch and Soda coin sets that Connie Haden made up using American large cent coins. These were quite expensive to work with, though. So the 20 Cvo. became the default coin for Scotch and Soda. I don't have a date for these.
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Bobo doesn't mention "Scotch and Soda" by name, but the "Liberty Head Half and US Penny" on page 260 and "Flash Silver and Copper" on page 471 of "New Modern Coin Magic" are both done with same basic gaff, made up in different coins.
I believe the "Liberty Head Half and US Penny" is the set Bill refers to by Connie Haden, although Bobo doesn't mention Haden by name in connection with this trick.
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The Liberty Head half and US penny are the ones that I was referring to. I let that reference slip by me. That's in both editions of the book, on page 260.

The one by Bruno would not really be as effective, I think, because the two coins are so close in size. In fact, most English pennies pre 1968 are just a smidge larger than a half dollar.
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On 2008-04-04 04:35, Bill Palmer wrote:

The one by Bruno would not really be as effective, I think, because the two coins are so close in size. In fact, most English pennies pre 1968 are just a smidge larger than a half dollar.

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Probably so, I only referenced it because the gaff is basically the same, and the routine as described could be performed with "Scotch and Soda".
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On 2008-04-03 22:59, Bill Palmer wrote:
That's not actually history. It's a description of the trick and it's not completly accurate.

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I never said it was accurate, I just Googled it for him.A little history of it.
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Rennie:

A history means that there are some dates involved, such as "it appeared in the Bobo book in 1952." That kind of thing.
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Here is another thread from April1,2004 with some of the same information plus a little not mentioned here.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=3
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Connie Hayden made some really beautiful coins. I still have 5 silver Standing Liberty 1/2 dollars that he made. Thay are not for sale though.
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I didn't realize it wasn't in Bobo. That is surprising.

Posted: Aug 20, 2008 6:19pm
Ah, I didn't realize that his copper and silver transpositions used a different gimmick. I just looked it up:)
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What was the original bar bet that Scotch and Soda was based on?
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On Jan 1, 2017, Leo H wrote:
What was the original bar bet that Scotch and Soda was based on?


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Steve Dusheck Post Icon Posted: Apr 3, 2004 11:04 pm Richard Himber invented Scotch & Soda. It was a limited edition effect and sold out right away which is why you don't see many ads for it. Look through your early 1950's Genii magazines.

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