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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 11:14, andolini wrote: I'd rig in one of my bridge size cards and have a great K*& card or a sh%^& card! LOL! So much from captain obvious and my weird humor.... I would suggest practicing with poker sized decks as they are the most common. I do practice with other decks as well...from the old and sticky decks to the brand new slippery decks. My Tavern Goers know this. My dear friend Paul Potassy uses bridge size decks exclusively in his entire professional carrer even though he has huge hands. Its a matter of preference but being able to adapt to any situation is far more practical. Since we all know that Poker size decks are the most common variety...then we ought to be prepared. Best from Manila! rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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ragingcalm Elite user 428 Posts |
My hands are smaller than Lee ashers. Length of hand really isn't very important but width can be important for misdirectionless palming. Width of finger is also quite important. Certain sleights are actually easy with poker sized cards such as the pass and faro shuffling.
Regardless of what handed you are (I'm exceptionally left handed) I would recommend learning all your sleights right hand. You'll save yourself a lot of time transposing tricks across (unless you're going to learn exculsively from left handers like Ortiz and Malone). |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
More comfort from the fact that Paul Potassy isn't a magician.
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Michael Wells New user 36 Posts |
Perhaps some moves can be practiced and learned with smaller cards without permanently crippling the practitioner. Bridge cards helped me learn the mechanics of the pass and made it easier for me to do with poker size.
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 12:42, Larry Davidson wrote: OK Larry! What is he then? Forgive my ignorance...but the last time I checked he was one of the most respected magicians of our time. Sorry Larry but I don't get it. Anyway...I was just trying to make a point and share my thoughts on the matter! I'm outta here!
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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todsky Inner circle www.magicstore.ca 2354 Posts |
From the previous threads, I have concluded:
If you don't do sleight of hand with cards, and you don't care to use gaff cards, then it doesn't matter if you use poker or bridge size. But if you use sleights and gaffs, poker is better to learn with. And are Lee Asher's hands really that small? How can he palm a card?
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 13:22, rannie wrote: Rannie, You totally misunderstood my posting. It was directed at magicfish, not at you. Magicfish made what I consider to be an uninformed posting. He stated, "...Magic is not supposed to be easy. It is usually easier to roll a coin along your dominant hand, but a magician can do it with both. So too, a magician can work his miracles with a poker sized pack...." I responded sarcastically by saying that I must not be a magician because I don't perform a coin roll, and that Jerry Andrus must not be a magician because he uses bridge size cards. I also pointed out to him that I don't believe "moves" are the hardest part of magic. There are other aspects, like routining, entertaining, and connecting with an audience, that I consider to be more difficult. The intent of my posting was to point out how ridiculous magicfish's posting was. You then posted that Paul Potassy uses bridge size decks exclusively. I responded, again sarcastically, that Paul Potassy must not be a magician, meaning according to magifish's uninformed posting, since Paul Potassy doesn't use poker size cards. Again, I was pointing out how ridiculous magicfish's posting was. No reason to be outta here. In the future, though, you might want to PM me for clarification. Best, Larry |
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
Most people have bridge size cards in their homes, unless they shop at places that sell poker sized cards. With the popularity of poker, many more places sell poker sized cards, although many (most?) casinos actually use bridge sized cards in poker games.
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
MagicFish "I understand you are trying to be helpful but you are wrong. period. If you want to be a magician, you must be able to perform your miracles with poker sized- cards, period."
Thanks for clearing that up, I don't really think you understand that I was trying to be helpful as your post would suggest. Their are absolutely no stead fast rules as far as this goes. But opinions based on personal experience. I take very little offense in your post so no worries but I would ask you to remember a few things. Just because one performer or two or even three for that matter have suggested that this is what is wright and what is wrong does not make it fact. Numerous card workers have and will continue to use bridge sized playing cards with beautiful performances. A well rounded card minipulator would have their own opinion but I am most certain they would expree them selves quite differently than you. I do believe you truely believe in your posts and I would never ask one to change what they believe in, but I would ask you to remeber this is an old arguement for lack of a better term and I really don't think one person's point of view should be made to sound like they now more than they really do. As far as quoting other magaicians, sometimes we can take their words out of context and soon discover what was actually said was merely an opinion or even possibly taken in the wrong context. I do wish you the best magicfish and as much as I may disagree with your posts here I look forward to reading others from you. I'm sure you have much to offer with your years of experience as you do sound like one that has been involved in magic for at least a little while without me knowing more. One last point, it was mentioned earlier "what would you do if someone handed you a deck of poker sized playing and said do something for us/me, well their has been numerous discussion on the forum in regards to handling demands to perform and I would suggest a couple of things. If approached like that a simple comment along the lines of you do know I charge x amount to perform or a simple if you really want to see something magical then just hold on to your hat and proceed to find an everyday object or a coin (I think everyones getting the idea here) and do your thing. It most certainly doesn't take a pack of cards to do something amazing for someone and if your stuck for ideas find yourself a good book one of Tarbell's maybe and learn some magic with everyday items. Jeff P.S. Just for the record I began in magic learning with bridge decks and eventually changed over to poker 808's but of course that was my personal choice and for me it was the right choice, for others I positive it might not have worked so well. |
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SSG New user 55 Posts |
Wow.
I'm super touched that all you guys took time to reply. I'm also honoured that the great Harry Lorayne has deigned to reply to this post. (Aside: Though I've been asked several times, I have never xeroxed one page of Apocalypse for anyone. Just wanted you to know.) Truth be told, I do work with poker cards and have been working with them for most of my magical career. Last night, I got pi__ed off trying to learn some of the flourishes on the Buck twins latest DVD trilogy. That might have contributed to my ill-advised bridge card decision. |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
DANG SSG,
Why didn't you say you were working on Buck moves! That changes everything and has little if anything to do with card or hand size. Those boys are freaks of nature with 8 fingers on each hand that are multi jointed and have little suction cups on the tips! Good luck with that! Mick |
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
I was glad that I didn't switch to bridge size cards - I was so temped in the beginning. But with practice, it's getting easier and better. There are still certain moves I can't do well. So I just pick and choose the techniques and effects that suit me.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 11:14, andolini wrote: What HL says is entirely true. But you only seem to have read PART of what he wrote. I've been doing card magic for more than a quarter of a century, and no one has EVER handed me a pack of cards and asked me to do a trick. The only time I work with a borrowed pack is when I'm sessioning with other magicians. And when sessioning with Rick Anderson and Jerry Andrus I had to use my own cards because they both use/used bridge sized cards. If you ONLY do card magic, and you don't carry a pack with you (unlikely) then you should use Poker cards. Of course, if you ARE handed a pack of cards at someone's house it will probably be bridge sized cards with kittens or an airline logo on it. So what then? What if you haven't practiced with bridge sized cards that stick together???? Huh???? I've run rings around you logically! |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
And I've been performing magic for about 45 years, and can count on one hand the number of times that someone has handed me a deck. That has never happened at a paid gig, and instead has happened only a few times when socializing with friends. As I recall, each of those times the deck was bridge size and in crappy condition. What did I do? I didn't even have to think about it, because I never leave home without a l*** (another option, of course, is to simply politely decline to perform).
Magicfish, I sincerely applaud your enthusiasm, but suggest that you think twice instead of posting out of emotion. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
That's why I originally said that it's "according." My reputation, my way, my milieu, etc., I'm HANDED a deck of cards. As I said in my original post - If I took out my own deck, my friends would hoot and holler. I've been doing magic for SEVENTY years - and I NEVER carry a deck with me. So, repeat - it's "according." When I did magic gigs decades ago, part of my "thing" was to tell the client to have a couple of decks at the venue for me. It wasn't until I got a bit more important that I was able to tell them the KIND of decks I wanted. Oh, well. HL
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Duncan I do believe your logic is flawed but I'm sure you mean well. I was responding to another poster. Secondly the original poster never mentioned any where that I can find about only doing card magic. As well I was referring to a previous post other than Mr. Lorayne's, when I suggested what a possible solution to a problem of some ones asking or demanding for an on the spot card demonstration. Larry I noticed just posted another simple idea as well, a simple and effective method would be to decline very politely.
I'm very sorry if you felt the need to speak on Mr Lorayne's behalf as my comments were in no way directed towards his post. Also the original poster had never mentioned his experience nor back ground in magic until his most recent post. I do understand were you may have made certain assumptions but they were incorrect and that's ok. These post do sometimes get difficult to follow but make no mistake with this. I have the utmost respect for Mr Lorayne's contributions, innovativeness and dedication to this fabulous art. His knowledge and understanding of magic is surpassed by few if any and I will always be grateful for even the smallest tidbit of advice or information from Mr Lorayne. I'm more than sure you would have to agree, on that note I do wish you all the best Duncan and I'm sorry if I did not make my postings clear as to who I had been addressing them towards. Sincerely Jeff |
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ViciousCycle Loyal user 210 Posts |
In CCIM, Mark Wilson matter of factly says, "Bridge-size cards often give the magician an advantage in certain tricks because of their smaller width. Many magicians work with only Poker-Size while oth3rs prefer Bridge-Size because they find them easier to handle." Of course, Wilson knows that the card magician's first task if to be entertaining, not to get fixated on size.
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Thanks for a little injection of humour VC, much appreciated. I'm still chuckling as I type. I guess all of us men at one point or another think about the size thing lol, maybe that's why they make both size CARDS for us.
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 15:51, Larry Davidson wrote: I'm back! Just stepped out to work on the bridge deck. LOL! After watching your DVD many times....how the heck can I out on your scripted insanities! This is the second or third misunderstanding eh? Now I know the "DavidsonSarcasm" better! You are a great guy Larry! My apologies for my misunderstanding! Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Without going into the silly conversation about what sorts of cards REAL magicians use, here's my own reasons for using poker.
They're bigger, and the jumbo indexes make them pretty good for larger audiences. I don't know if bridge-sized has these or not, but I've never seen them, and in any case if you're going for visibility bigger is better (within reason, since I can't palm jumbos... yet). I don't have massive hands, but bridge-sized cards make them look pretty large in relation to the deck. If any of your effects can be explained by the audience (even if incorrectly) by the size of your hands, then poker-sized would give you an added advantage that way, since they look less easy to cover. I like palming so this is somewhat important to me, I don't want people to think that my hand is capable of concealing a card. I think a larger-sized deck (or any object, for that matter) is less likely to arouse this suspicion than a smaller-sized deck. Poker-sized decks have more gaffes. Nobody knows other than you how important this is, since we don't know if you like gaffes or not. If you're handed a bridge-sized deck and you only know poker, the transition isn't that difficult. If you're handed a poker-sized deck and you only know bridge, then the transition will be hard. Somebody mentioned that poker-sized decks are better since they're more common in general (rather than just amongst magicians)... Depends where you are in the world. Go to Korea and people will be surprised by a poker-sized deck. If it's part of your "thing" to be able to do magic with a borrowed deck, I suspect that you'll want to practice not just poker- and bridge-sized, but also old decks, brand new decks, decks of poor quality (I've got a cheap practice deck that is terribly stiff even after all the use I've put into it), and even weird things like plastic cards. Knowing the idiosynchracies (sic?) of all sorts of decks will let you know the disadvantages (and even sometimes advantages) of whatever gets thrown your way. At the moment I've got a pack of bikes that I carry on me at all times, and two different practice decks (one old deck recovering from humidity, and the aforementioned stiff deck). I can happily say that I'm of equal skill in all three for every given method I need. Which might be to say that I stink in all three, but at least it's a consistent stink. |
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