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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2008-04-19 13:50, Dannydoyle wrote: Nice Danny. As if it weren't bad enough that Steve Spill's routine was stolen, you have now tipped the method.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
To play Devil's advocate here for a moment. I don't know either Mr. Spill nor Mr. Meller nor have seen eithers routines or DVD's.
I did a "mind reading duck" bit a few years ago and too came up with the same opening gag. It's a rather obvious one so perhaps it could be a case of either simultaneous development or perhaps Mr. Meller forgot he had seen or heard about the routine in the past. It happens and while not excusable I think it highly unfair to bandy the Thief label about so casually. Especially since this routine appears to be the only one Mr. Meller seems to have duplicated intentionally or not.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
::Rolls eyes::
Payne, you know I think the world of you, but until you have seen the videos, don't comment. It's silly. The routine either directly or indirectly was stolen from Steve Spill. They are nearly identical. Watch the videos, then play the Devil's advocate. Believe me, no one wanted to give Mr. Meller's the benefit of the doubt more than me. If it were one gag, one bit, or one prop, that may have been the case. It's props, timing, gags, and routine. I do not throw the word "thief" around lightly. As a matter of fact this may be the only time I have on this forum. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I "independenly invented" the sub trunk last week.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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russ stevens Special user Russ Stevens 571 Posts |
Dear Danny Hustle,
Just to clear things up here on my part and to make things clearer than I already have… The quote from Mel is just that. His words and not mine. As producer of the project I think that I’ve pretty much done all that I could to rectify the situation. I have nothing further to add other than what I have already said here in my original post. Best, Russ |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2008-04-20 13:13, Dannydoyle wrote: Someone "independently invented" doing the sub trunk with cards and the case, and got that published in Genii magazine a few months ago. Amazing world isn't it?
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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On 2008-04-20 14:55, russ stevens wrote: You absolutely have, you heard there was a problem, and you removed the clip. Other people have contacted me in private messages to let me know that their version of the DVD does not contain the routine. What's done is done, and I was commenting on Mr. Mellers comments and not yours. My mistake, apologies to you Mr. Stevens. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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robjames New user 26 Posts |
I have known Russ Stevens for a couple of years and believe him to be someone of complete integrity - he has done the right thing here (I am guessing at personal expense)
Regards Jonathan Townsend's flippant comments about my trick in Genii - why let the facts get in the way of stirring up trouble, eh Jonathan? When I submitted the trick I claimed an original method, which my routine definitely has, and is therefore worthy of being printed. David Acer suggested briefly in the write up that I "may" be the first person to come up with the idea - which of course I wasn't. Clear?! |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
And to add that Rob James routine is a brilliant handling, and just brought a smile to my face the first time I saw it!
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2008-04-21 12:18, Christopher Williams wrote: Does it use a goose?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2008-04-22 02:12, Christopher Kavanagh wrote: Not quite, close, it does a quick change at the end, and the Queen of Hearts is there in a Goose outfit! |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
It's not a goose, it's a duck!
"MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
So it uses a duck-and-deal approach?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Maybe more of a duck and cover thing? if you remember that silly turtle cartoon
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MetalBender Loyal user 248 Posts |
A duck is a bird, a goose is a poke in the arse.
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toe to the mas New user 3 Posts |
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As the tape clearly states in the explanation you can use any puppet (I have). I am currently in my Duck phase. He's in the "duck phase" cause it's impossible to find a stuffed goose! Thank goodness Kohler and Steve are finally releasing this comedy gem to the magic fraternity. Hope Steve markets his needle and string handling. Or better yet, a blood from stone gimmick! |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Why a duck?
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Amyxdove Regular user Andy Amyx 143 Posts |
Yeah I saw Steve do this about 15 times at the Magic Castle from the late 80's into the 90's. And he still does it today!!!! Very surprised at Mel Miller. It's too bad. Sorry to hear this Steve. At least enough people know it's your routine.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2008-04-22 10:41, Danny Hustle wrote: I was talking to the duck!! Mike P.S. Sorry, reminded me of the great joke about the woman who walked into the bar with a duck tucked under her arm and sat down next to a drunk. The drunk looked over and asked" Hey! Where you'd get the pig? The woman indignantly responed: "I'll have you know that that's not a pig; it's a duck!!" The drunk responds: "I know! I was talking to the Duck!!" (badda-boom)
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
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On 2008-05-09 15:17, Amyxdove wrote: Interesting comment. Mel looks like he is in his 60's and has apparently been doing this for many many year. Exactly how do you know that it is Steve's? I'm not suggesting Steve took it from Mel. Why does everyone automatically assume Mel stole it from Steve. The joke is no proof. Its obvious. I would be interested to know whether Steve feels he originated that line or simply hear something similar elsewhere and played with it. There is other stuff like this going on on the Café where one person assumes ownership of something that could be conceived of by another as well. Bare in mind that many effects on the market today have their basis in existing ideas. PHIL, by Max Maven is originally by Ali Bongo (without credit). I don't hear anyone defending the great Bongo. He incidentally invented thousands of props and ideas for decades of television shows. Many of these ideas have since been 'adopted' by others. I'm not saying it is ok, neither is it black and white. To come online to a forum like this and accuse someone you know little about of theft (based on little evidence, or just opinion) is pathetic. Notice that none of this ever goes to a court of law. Why? Because it wouldn't hold water. Bubble |
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