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On 2008-04-22 02:12, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
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On 2008-04-21 12:18, Christopher Williams wrote:
And to add that Rob James routine is a brilliant handling, and just brought a smile to my face the first time I saw it!


Does it use a goose?


Not quite, close, it does a quick change at the end, and the Queen of Hearts is there in a Goose outfit!
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It's not a goose, it's a duck! Smile
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So it uses a duck-and-deal approach?
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Maybe more of a duck and cover thing? if you remember that silly turtle cartoon Smile
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A duck is a bird, a goose is a poke in the arse.
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As the tape clearly states in the explanation you can use any puppet (I have). I am currently in my Duck phase.

He's in the "duck phase" cause it's impossible to find a stuffed goose!
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Yeah I saw Steve do this about 15 times at the Magic Castle from the late 80's into the 90's. And he still does it today!!!! Very surprised at Mel Miller. It's too bad. Sorry to hear this Steve. At least enough people know it's your routine.

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On 2008-04-22 10:41, Danny Hustle wrote:
IT'S NOT A GOOSE IT'S A DUCK! Smile


I was talking to the duck!!

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P.S. Sorry, reminded me of the great joke about the woman who walked into the bar with a duck tucked under her arm and sat down next to a drunk. The drunk looked over and asked" Hey! Where you'd get the pig? The woman indignantly responed: "I'll have you know that that's not a pig; it's a duck!!" The drunk responds: "I know! I was talking to the Duck!!"

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On 2008-05-09 15:17, Amyxdove wrote:
Yeah I saw Steve do this about 15 times at the Magic Castle from the late 80's into the 90's. And he still does it today!!!! Very surprised at Mel Miller. It's too bad. Sorry to hear this Steve. At least enough people know it's your routine.

Andy Amyx

Interesting comment. Mel looks like he is in his 60's and has apparently been doing this for many many year. Exactly how do you know that it is Steve's? I'm not suggesting Steve took it from Mel. Why does everyone automatically assume Mel stole it from Steve. The joke is no proof. Its obvious. I would be interested to know whether Steve feels he originated that line or simply hear something similar elsewhere and played with it.

There is other stuff like this going on on the Café where one person assumes ownership of something that could be conceived of by another as well. Bare in mind that many effects on the market today have their basis in existing ideas. PHIL, by Max Maven is originally by Ali Bongo (without credit). I don't hear anyone defending the great Bongo. He incidentally invented thousands of props and ideas for decades of television shows. Many of these ideas have since been 'adopted' by others. I'm not saying it is ok, neither is it black and white. To come online to a forum like this and accuse someone you know little about of theft (based on little evidence, or just opinion) is pathetic.

Notice that none of this ever goes to a court of law. Why? Because it wouldn't hold water.


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As I mentioned previously, in the 1980's I worked at the Brook Farm Inn of Magic with Steve Spill and others, and I personally witnessed Steve develop and fine tune this idea and routine. I don't know why you're focusing only on a joke. Read the other postings in this thread and you'll understand why the routine was pulled from Mellers' DVDs.
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PHIL, by Max Maven, is originally by Ali Bongo (without credit).

I've put in far too much effort toward proper crediting to allow this misinformed comment to stand. When I first released "Final Fred" (which is what is now marketed as "The PHIL Deck"), I was quite clear in my crediting. The basic gag probably goes back to Alexander Woollcott, but as a card effect the starting point was Fred Lowe. It was from his trick that Ali Bongo, and then many others, came up with versions.

So, please bear this in mind: (A) The method for my version is radically different from that of Lowe or any of the others who preceded me, and (B) the key credit to Lowe always was and still is in the instructions.

There are plenty of things I've done that may warrant criticism. This isn't one of them.
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Please accept my apology Mr Maven. I was making a point about assumptions and then went ahead a clearly made my own! I have amended the post accordingly.

Once again, my apologies.

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On 2008-05-12 13:10, Larry Davidson wrote:
As I mentioned previously, in the 1980's I worked at the Brook Farm Inn of Magic with Steve Spill and others, and I personally witnessed Steve develop and fine tune this idea and routine. I don't know why you're focusing only on a joke. Read the other postings in this thread and you'll understand why the routine was pulled from Mellers' DVDs.

I have read it all. The routine was pulled because of the similarity and the hassle that would ensue... not necessarily an admission of guilt! The assumption that it was stolen is the problem I have with all this.

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It's Steve's. If Meller didn't feel guilty about presenting an unauthorized presentation of Steve's routine, then why did the pull the DVD off the market so quickly?
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It would not have been Mel's decision. What is it with you all. Mel would have signed the DVD over to RSVP. Russ Stevens would have made the decision based on HIS business reputation. The DVD being pulled is a testament to Russ' integrity and NOT proof of Mel's behaviour. For all you know Mel could have been doing this for 30 years. You can't proof he hasn't.

Stop tarnishing other peoples names with your narrow minded views.

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Why the hell do posts keep vanishing? Is there some way of editing what you have already written? If so can I adjust a previous post on this thread?

Is the Café only for those who agree with the owners views? Not designed to cause problems, just an honest observation.

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On 2008-05-09 15:17, Amyxdove wrote:
Yeah I saw Steve do this about 15 times at the Magic Castle from the late 80's into the 90's. And he still does it today!!!! Very surprised at Mel Miller. It's too bad. Sorry to hear this Steve. At least enough people know it's your routine.

Andy Amyx

Interesting comment. Mel looks like he is in his 60's and has apparently been doing this for many many year. Exactly how do you know that it is Steve's? I'm not suggesting Steve took it from Mel. Why does everyone automatically assume Mel stole it from Steve. The joke is no proof. Its obvious. I would be interested to know whether Steve feels he originated that line or simply hear something similar elsewhere and played with it.




Mel Mellers is about 45 years old, he's actually younger than Mr. Spill.

I am not assuming anything, Mel Meller's STOLE that ENTIRE routine lock, stock, and stuffed bird, from Steve Spill. He either stole it directly, or got it from someone whole stole it from Steve Spill.

Watch the youtube video of Mr. Spill performing the thing on national TV over 20 years ago. That performance was lifted IN IT'S ENTIRETY and placed by Mr. Meller's on his latest DVD. It has since BEEN REMOVED from the DVD because it was an OBVIOUS rip off. There is NOTHING to assume. Nothing. It isn't one idea, it isn't about a duck, it was a finished piece that was lifted line for line, move for move. This isn't like the independent discovery of a single move or a line. This is an entire routine.

It would be like someone trying to pass off an entire one act play line for line setting for setting as an independent discovery. That doesn't happen.

There is nothing to assume. Educate yourself by watching both videos and THEN comment. They are identical.

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On 2008-05-13 15:08, Danny Hustle wrote:

Mel Mellers is about 45 years old, he's actually younger than Mr. Spill.

I am not assuming anything, Mel Meller's STOLE that ENTIRE routine lock, stock, and stuffed bird, from Steve Spill. He either stole it directly, or got it from someone whole stole it from Steve Spill.

Watch the youtube video of Mr. Spill performing the thing on national TV over 20 years ago. That performance was lifted IN IT'S ENTIRETY and placed by Mr. Meller's on his latest DVD. It has since BEEN REMOVED from the DVD because it was an OBVIOUS rip off. There is NOTHING to assume. Nothing. It isn't one idea, it isn't about a duck, it was a finished piece that was lifted line for line, move for move. This isn't like the independent discovery of a single move or a line. This is an entire routine.

There is nothing to assume. Educate yourself by watching both videos and THEN comment. They are identical.

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Thank you for clarifying Mel's age. He looks older than he is!

With regards to you final comment. It is completely unnecessary to patronise me. I have seen both clips. They are almost identical. The style of comedy is however different and some would no doubt prefer Mel's performance. I make no direct judgement on who is right and who is wrong. My comments are aimed at people who vehemently attack another's character that is, otherwise, spotless.


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I am not assuming anything, Mel Meller's STOLE that ENTIRE routine lock, stock, and stuffed bird, from Steve Spill. He either stole it directly, or got it from someone whole stole it from Steve Spill.
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hi Dan

not to sound bad or fall out with you but which one do you mean- you say out right that mel stole it directly from steve then you say he may have got it from someone who stole it from steve. now if he got the routne (not stole) from someone who stole it from steve and mel didn't know it was steves then he didn't steal it from steve- which means you are out of order.
what I'm saying is- you are making a grave mistake on a forum and acusing someone of being a theif- this is much worse than what you are acusing mel mellors of doing.
I'm not saying that this is the case but it looks that way.
I think it would be good for you to talk to mel first and base you argument on facts.

thank you for listening.

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