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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
I have a very bad classic palm. I've included some pictures of me classic palming a coin. I can get the coin in position (using the ring and middle fingers to put it in) and get a good grip but it falls out after a few seconds. I use the pinky muscle in my hand and the thumb muscle. I heard from coinvanish this was the proper way to classic palm a coin, because the other way makes the hand looked cramped and unnatural. This seems to be a hard sleight to master. I do have Bobos' Coin Magic, and since the classic palm seems so critical to so many coin sleights, I want to master this sleight first. I've included some photos of me palming a coin in the classic palm.
Posted: May 2, 2008 2:48am ------------------------------ Well I can't attach an image so here are the links to 2 images of me doing the classic palm. Any suggestions helpful. Should the coin be on the palm closest to the wrist or farther up? http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......alm1.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......alm2.jpg |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Without seeing pictures, it's hard to tell where you might be going wrong. Are you having the same problem no matter what size of coin you use?
For what it's worth, the classic palm is an important concealment but it's not the only one, and some advanced coin tricks don't even use it. Posted: May 2, 2008 2:59am ------------------------------ Ah ok, the pictures went up while I was typing, sorry about that. |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2008-05-02 02:57, erlandish wrote: It's a little easier with half dollars, but still the coin falls out after about 10 seconds. How does it look? Posted: May 2, 2008 3:08am ------------------------------ From Bobo's: Quote:
This is one of the most difficult of all concealment to master but it is one of the magic's finest secrets. The layman cannot imagine it possible to conceal a coin in this way. The beginner may experience difficulty in retaining a coin in this position at the outset, but the ability will come with practice. |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
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On 2008-05-02 03:06, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote: I can never tell without seeing things in motion. If your hand's muscles are just getting used to the action, it might take a fair bit of practice. The usual advice is to classic palm all day, doing chores with the coin in place. Roth advises (others might as well, don't know) that typing is an excellent exercise to get used to your classic palm, in part because your four fingers should have totally free movement while palming, since the muscles that keep it in place don't keep the fingers from moving. (Incidentally, my classic palm was junk before I got Roth Expert Coin Magic DVD Vol 1.) Regarding the Bobo quote, yes, it's a very, very useful concealment, but trust me, unless your aim is to become a coin specialist, it's possible to avoid the classic palm and still do pretty good magic. Good routining is more important, in my opinion. Even if your classic palm or retention vanish or whatever is perfect, if the routining stinks, people will be able to bust you. One other thing... David Stone mentions (others might as well, don't know) that you shouldn't have the classic palm too tight -- that if you were to whack the back of your hand, it's ok for the coin to fall out. |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
Whenever I try to type with it or use the mouse the coin always falls out.
Do you think I should half dollars or quarters? |
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qureyoon Loyal user Singapore 275 Posts |
@Strange Tasting Fish Sticks: This is indeed hard, I can't palm for a week if I remember correctly after that, I can hold it, but it's very very unnatural looking. Right now I'm getting better, and starting to try to type/holding mouse while palming. Even so ... the coins still drop.
So.. be patience, time will reward you. I've been palming for almost 3 months now , the total is around 1 hrs/day, since I'm working and don't have much time. And again.. be patience, and practice, you'll smile when you recall 3 months back you can't even palm a coin And I suggest to stick with half dollars first, since most of routines/tricks are using half. Good luck mate |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2008-05-02 04:22, qureyoon wrote: GARY, please PM me on instant messenger (windows) Yes, I'm having the exact same problems you are having. I can do it but it seems unnatural, looks unnatural even though I'm doing it the right way. I can hold the coin for about 10 seconds while using the mouse then it eventually drops off. Posted: May 2, 2008 4:37am ------------------------------ http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......08-1.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......0007.jpg See how unnatural it looks in the first photo? This is using the right technique, too. |
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jocce Regular user 136 Posts |
From the looks of it in the second pic you seem to hold the coin too far over to the pinky side of the palm. All hands are different of course but when I palm, the coin rests half way up the fleshy part of my thumb base. You seem to have it at the bottom of that part. Maybe move it a little bit over to the thumb side?
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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
Hello man,
Do this, pull your thumb towards the palm. Then see your palm from the wrist point of view. Notice theres a V shape at the crease of the palm. The center of the coin should be there. Quarters,Halves,Dollars, it's all the same spot. The center of the coin should be there. that's for the horizontal point. For the vertical point, is matter of preference. |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2008-05-02 04:53, jocce wrote: I'm confused. Is the coin too far to my other fingers? Do I need to move the coin lower down the hand or higher up the hand? Could you post a picture? Thanks. Posted: May 2, 2008 5:53am ------------------------------ Is this better? http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......0009.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/s......10-1.jpg |
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
In the new New York Coin Magic Semminar DVDs on Productions, Vanishes, and Penetrations (due out in a little over a month) Roth gives a 15 minute discussion on the Classic palm, and what pitfalls to look out for, and how to correct them. If you have been fortunate enough to see Roth lecture, you know what kind of a great teacher he is. This discussion is invaluable for anyone wanting to improve classic palm technique.
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xaboom New user Biarritz France 69 Posts |
Acording to the second picture I would place the coin even more to the right .
Actually in the line of the hand. Also ,it seems you press too much on the right side of the coin. The pressure must be very light allowing a more open hand. |
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The Amazing Noobini Inner circle Oslo, Norway 1658 Posts |
I would say that you should try placing the coin a good bit further back towards the wrist. Stretching that far is very difficult but there is more muscle/skin squeeze from each side so it is steadier.
Have a look at coinvanish.com where there is a nice photo tutorial on this. In it the coin is probably further back than it needs to be but it illustrates clearly the V-shape concept that Gary refers to. I used to hold it about as far forward as you do and then tilted a little so the edge of the coin dug down into the center of the hand. For 2 months now I have worked on moving it further back. I'm still nowhere near being able to snap my fingers with a coin in CP. Yesterday I again opened Bobo and the trick said that I should start with 4 coins in CP and then slide them off of the stack, one at the time without making any noise or moving the remainding coins. Bah, the frustration... The feeling of never having the basic tools to begin routining. Your very first photo seems to show a very rigid ring finger. That doesn't look right. All the fingers should be very lose and movable. But myself I cannot actually do things like operating a computer mouse while palming. It takes time but you should have a wobbly but usable CP in less than 2 months I think. Enough to move ahead a little.
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CMNeff New user 77 Posts |
You'll find your own spot and it's difficult to tell from a photo.
To build some confidence I'd suggest you get something like Zims Crack Creme from Walgreens and put some on your hand. This makes your hand slightly tacky and you would not 'grip' so hard, which is why the little finger side of your hand is so compressed looking...you're gripping that coin with all your might. If you look at Michael Rubinstein's Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights DVDs (really really good; I can watch it for hours) his hands look incredibly fluid with little tension. I think it's a good example of holding the coins as loosely as possible. Audience's naturally feel and follow the tension even if the don't understand it (think spider vanish). Being loose makes it all more magical. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Lots of good advice here but really the best advice is to practice, practice, practice. Just carry a coin with you everywhere and let it become part of your hand...and eventually it will, better and better. And really, don't think about it so intensely as it's really not all that technical. It's more about your hands coming to understand what you need them to do. That's why I say the basic ingredient on this is simply "practice." Your hand will come to understand. Trust them, they've been with you a long time doing everything you need them to do. They won't let you down now, if you just give them a chance.
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mitchb2 Elite user 455 Posts |
Fish Sticks, how did you get a picture of my Classic Palm?
I have similar problems. The coin doesn't "grab" on the pinky side of my hand, it slides instead. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Hey Fish, *****MB's One Minute Success with the Classic Palm*****
Here's a bit of advice I've given on this for some time now...It's very simple and it works immediately. You don't have to spend a dime or go off researching like you're looking for some great secret. Here it is: Simply take the half dollar and press it tightly into the classic palm position in the right hand. Then close your hand around the coin and hold it there tightly for about a minute. Now try your classic palm, you should be able to do it much better now. This does not preclude you practicing, but it jumpstarts your hand muscles, forces them to learn the hold quickly and teaches you what's supposed to be happening in the action. How's that for quick advice and immediate success. -Mb
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2008-05-02 10:50, Mb217 wrote: WOW! That helps alot, loosens up my hand quite a bit, my hand looks very natural now! Thank you! |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
The CP is a concealment I can do for a moment but don't do it very well either.
Keeping my hands in motion hide that fact. It's not too ofter that the hand with the coin has to be flat with fingers spread for any length of time or at all for that matter. There are alternatives like Finger Palm, front finger clips, Morritt Grip aka Purse Palm, Thumb Palm, Drobina Palm, J.C. Palm aka Chanin Grip, Mutobe Palm, "The Godfather's Crimp Palm, etc, etc. When I first started coin magic the Thumb Palm was the one that allowed my hand to look uncramped. It's still especially good for Quarters. Now I lean more towards a grip like the Dobrina Palm in Bobo's for half dollars and larger. This has been given a few different names. |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Jaz is correct there are other palms
I never classic palm because in my hands it looks horrible. but don't give up vinny |
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