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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Magician8-
Does the "8" in your text signify another initiative? If so, where can I find out about it? Please excuse the temporary detour, Ian.
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Daryl's DVDs as mentioned above have some real beauties that are super easy to do. I always did the double undercut, but he likes to do a cut where the top is undercut (swing), and the top packet is sequentially taken off and the bottom is then placed on top of the re-assembled top packet.
He even has a variant where he only takes half the bottom packet and places that on top, leaving a "very" bottom packet that he does a little flip move with before placing the rest of the deck on top. It's a little flourishy but it probably won't spook a layman, since you're just plopping down packets.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Heya 8,
Where can I see the "scrape cut"? Don't beleive I know it! Thanks, Mick |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Harry is correct the HOP is not a false cut the pack is really cut however the top card remains on topafter completing the cut...
Jonathan 's cheat cut is not really the HOP what I think he is saying that you switch halfs in simulating a real cut vinny |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2008-05-04 14:59, Ian Davis12 wrote: From this I can only assume basically, you want to control a card to the top, whilst the spectators believe it is in the middle, such as in the Ambitious card. Well, though it is probably the most difficult of the methods, I think people spoil effects by cutting and shuffling etc as it can put that small amount of thought in the spectators mind that it is being moved from where it was first put. I am guilty of doing this at times I will admit, however, whenever I start my ACR, I have the card selected, placed into the middle of the deck, I show it is clearly in the middle, angle it as I square it to get a break above it, and then pass it to the top. Then I do nothing, but do the ACR usual patter, then get them to snap and turn over the top card. Why? Because they saw it go into the middle, I did nothing (That the eye could see) and it was then on top, whereas if someone did the same thing, but added a cut in there...whos do you think is more convincing? The one where a card is put in and that is all...or the one where a card is put in, then the deck is cut...so my advice? As tough as it is, learn the pass, it is a very useful tool. Because it is invisible to the eye, it is great for later on in my routine when I place the card in face up and when they snap, it visibly appears on top of the deck... Just some food for thought |
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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
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On 2008-05-06 01:45, MickeyPainless wrote: Mick, I believe both Ortiz and Forte perform this cut, personally I learned it from Weapons of the Cardshark by Jeff Wessmiller. 8 |
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Why have it placed on top of the entire deck?
Why not start with them thinking it is middle and place on half on top, get a brak and do the double under cut move by oulet which gives the illusion it is even cut deeper into the deck. If you really want it on top first, why not do a over hand shuffle with faces towards the audience and simply keep the top card on top or do Harry Loraynes status quo shuffle ( please forgive me on this if I have the wrong move named), but it is a great move with backs towards the audience and the illusion is perfect! |
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Corbett Inner circle Indiana 1161 Posts |
Why "cut" at all, instead of a shuffle? If you place the card back, and then cut to apparently "lose" the card, any false shuffle would work just as well. Overhand a bunch, have them place the card on packet, and then overhand shuffle control to top. I think false cuts are good, but I don't use them as the first and only way to "lose" the card. I usually use it as a finisher to false shuffling.
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Corbett Inner circle Indiana 1161 Posts |
Why "cut" at all, instead of a shuffle? If you place the card back, and then cut to apparently "lose" the card, any false shuffle would work just as well. Overhand a bunch, have them place the card on packet, and then overhand shuffle control to top. I think false cuts are good, but I don't use them as the first and only way to "lose" the card. I usually use it as a finisher to false shuffling.
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
You can't always replace a cut with a shuffle... it depends what you want to achieve. If you lose/control the selection by way of a shuffle, the impression you give is that the card could be anywhere in the deck; in fact it could have even ended up on top. No one knows.
If you cut the selection into the middle of the deck, that's where it is supposed to be, and that's what you want the spectator to believe. So when it turns up on top, it is all the more surprising. This is also similar to the impression a pass, among other sleights, gives - that the volunteer thinks he knows where the card is, i.e. at the position it was returned to the deck. Christopher's earlier post elaborates on this. So it depends what you want to achieve... if you want to impress on your audience that the card is hopelessly lost, then use a shuffle control (or even a series of cuts) etc. etc.
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Ian Davis12 New user U.S. 17 Posts |
Thank you guys very much
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Thanks, Vinny. As I said - the "hop" is NOT a false cut. And, the "hop" should not be used in an ACR. At least, I would never do so. If you can find it, look up my Invisible Pass Routine (Quantum Leaps), or find it on one of my "Best Ever" DVD volumes, or find it in the Genii issue that ran it, etc. It's a different way/reason for using a "hop." HL
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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
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On 2008-05-06 18:30, Harry Lorayne wrote: I agree, but with a minor change, the hop can and is used as a false cut. 8 |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
I use the hop in ACR I have the spectator hold out their hands palms up then I cut the cards in their hands cards using the hop..
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Thanks 8 man, I'll do some reading!
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Ian Davis12 New user U.S. 17 Posts |
Again thank you guys for all the posts I will look at the recomemdations and hopefully will not get caught doing a false cut.
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Thomas Kwon Veteran user 333 Posts |
The way I control my card is by doing shuffles that retain the top stock of the deck, ie riffle shuffle with top card staying on top, over hand shuffle while controling the card with injog, etc.
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itsminku New user Canada 3 Posts |
I agree that cutting multiple packets will seem intentionally deceptive. If I have a table, I usually use a bold but quick single false cut and no one ever questions it, especially following several shuffles retaining the top card. The move is simply but should be done quickly:
Hold the deck in the right hand (palm face down), grip the inner short end with your thumb and the outer end with the other fingers minus the pinky. Using your index finger, draw about half of the deck to the left in an up and out manner. Your left hand quickly grabs this packet into a mechanic's grip. Drop the right hand packet on the table. Grab the left hand packet by your right hand in the same manner as you were holding the entire deck and drop this packet on top of the tabled packet. As I said, it's just a simple false cut- but done boldly and quickly, no one ever asks! Hope this helps! |
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trickytrav Veteran user 391 Posts |
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On 2008-05-14 09:42, itsminku wrote: I use this often and have never been questioned, it may not sound great but trust me it is. |
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joudini New user 68 Posts |
The classic pass false cut is one of the best
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