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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts 
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It does open some nice possibilities with a person a bit more skilled than the guy on the video.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts
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On 2008-06-28 16:08, stoneunhinged wrote: I already know what some of who are thinking. The answer is "no", that was not me on the video. |
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Lurp New user 2 Posts
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Andrew Mayne's Tear Down is awesome. 100% impromptu and it can be inspected before AND after the effect; it can also be signed...actually better to have it signed. Based on Jim Steinmeyer’s Incessant NEWSPAPER (with his permission).
I didn't really belive it was going to be all that easy but it is. No duplicates, no gimmicks & no tape. Simple to do and worth the 14.99 price tag over at Hocus-Pocus. And no I don't work for the guy I just love what he has done with the effect. Lurp |
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MrFye Regular user 119 Posts
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I love the Gene Anderson version with a couple of complaints. It takes a while to prepare and it failed on me once. The cement did not hold when I did the restoration and the ripped newspaper fell to the floor. I don't know why it happened, but I suspect the newspaper was the reason (maybe too old). I was hoping this thread held a new improved method or version. I like Andrew Mayne so I'm curious if others like his as much as Lurp does.
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thurstonlives Regular user 106 Posts
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On 2008-05-30 11:24, wmhegbli wrote: Im don't usually defeat something unless the product has proven to be great, but In my opinion the videos are well done, with nice shots and Ben Salinas is a good magician and a nice person. Anyway there are a lot of products that are not only copies as you said like the bill in kiwi by Carl Cloutier or The art of card splitting to name two of them. All of us should take care of naming those descalifitions, and of course we should be banned telling things that are quite harmful to the economy of people that are working and of course working hard. Mr Anderson's version of the effect is very nice but it not belongs completely to him as has some reminiscences from other sources. D |
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts
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Tear Down has a whole thread of its own, search the Café.
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts
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I have the Torn & Restored Newspaper Illusion DVD with Ben Salinas, and after getting this DVD I felt no need to buy any other. The DVD quality is very good and Ben is very clear and concise. Nine different methods are explained. I did not like all of them, but that's not a bad thing.I prefer the Slydini above any other method because it looks best in my opinion. I have also purchased other video's from MM and have no complaints at all. I understand why some have problems with MM, but I'm glad I purchased this DVD.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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On 2008-07-03 13:11, MrFye wrote: I've done the Anderson Tear for 35 years, with a few of my own modifications. If the glue didn't stick, it's not Gene's fault, nor is it the newspaper's fault. You either did not apply the glue correctly or the newspaper was dirty. You can't glue to dirt. Another thing that sometimes happens is that you glue your r_______ p_____ to a loose piece of newspaper. That's a real awakener! You don't really know the trick until you have discovered all the possible ways to mess it up. Trust me on this. I have added something that I borrowed from Jay Marshall, that allows me to perform this thing practically surrounded. If you purchase a DVD, get the one from Stevens that features Gene Anderson.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts
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On 2008-07-24 08:34, thurstonlives wrote: Could you please explain what you mean here? I have no idea what a descalification is. If Ben is teaching Gene's newspaper tear without permission from Gene, then he is doing economic harm to the people who sell the original. Has that idea not crossed your mind? Not all of the MM products are knockoffs. The card splitting DVD was the first one on the market to go into all the detail of how it was done. This is a technique that goes back before Expert Card Technique. As far as Gene's "reminiscenses" of other versions are concerned, they were mainly in the idea of how the flash restoration needed to be done. It was not a copy of anyone else's work. I don't know Ben Salinas. I've never met him. But ANY performer who is going to be good at entertaining people has to ingratiate himself to the audience. You can't judge how "nice" a person is by his persona on a DVD. Nothing against Mr. Salinas, you understand, but I've known a lot of other people whose stage and/or television personal was wonderful, but they were real stinkers in person!
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Mike McEathron Regular user Peterborough Ontario Canada 163 Posts
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I seen Gene Anderson perform at abbotts a number of years ago great stuff and his book has a lot of great ideas and thoughts on paper magic
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snushy Veteran user 338 Posts
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Max Londono put out an interesting variation on Anderson's tear. Without revealing anything, it added a special something to make the flash restoration at the end even more sure-fire.
Not sure if it's still available, but it was put out by Tannens some years ago. L. Zaslow
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T SEE? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WATCH! - SLYDINI
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trickychaz Special user West Virginia 549 Posts
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On 2008-05-30 11:24, wmhegbli wrote: Doesn't the clipping of the torn peices together lessen the effect? I have the DVD, and this wasn't my favorite version. I am using the Signed Torn and Restored from the Magic Makers DVD but I do it silently to music, and cut out the signed part. I only use and practice it because the reset is simple and requires no glue etc. The only downfall is that you have the pieces to ditch, but later on I plan to train my dove for production from it so the torn pieces don't matter much. Lately though I have found that a few torn pieces have fallen to the floor.... Chaz |
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts
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I have tried the Anderson, No-Tear, and Bauer. Anderson is best for effect. No-Tear is easy and I used it with the Anderson setup. However, I had this gimmick fail once during performance and I am now gunshy. The Bauer is a nice, easy, quick method but I have had problem witht he pocket fully opening and as a result seldom used it in actual performance.
I think the Anderson is most reliable. |
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts
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IO will always continue to do the gene anderson version. He sepnt enough time with me to teahc me how to make it and perform it and never once asked for anything in return. he is a very generous man and I love performing that illusion. The set up may take a lot longer, but it is worth it for me.
Kyle
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sherifmayika New user Cochin, Kerala 96 Posts
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I like axel hecklau Newsflash T & R Newspaper. nobody mentioned it here
does this dvd Torn and Restored Newspaper (9 Amazing Methods) - DVD include this method? |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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I am using Axel's method and it's fantastic. The DVD is well produced and entertaining and the restoration is beautiful. I've gotten "wows" and gasps from it...and when watching my rehearsal videos frame-by-frame I still can't see how the change occurs, and I KNOW how it occurs.
I doubt Ben teaches this method - it's only available from Axel himself through his web site, and it's also a fairly recent product, so I'm guessing it came out after Ben's DVD, though I could be mistaken. I haven't seen the Magic Makers product but I've been less than thrilled with most of what they come out with, so I'm sticking with Axel's method for now. His customer service is great (all of my emails were with him directly) which is especially helpful since he is based in Germany...and though he speaks with a German accent, you have no problem understand him on the DVD. Can't say enough good things about it. Newsflash is a wonderful product. I'm curious to hear what people think of Axel's vs. Andersons. I've seen the Anderson version on video but never in person...is there anyone who is familiar with both methods that could weigh in?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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videoman Inner circle 6748 Posts
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http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=109&89
This link has some discussion of the various tears on the market as well as Anderson vs. Hecklau. I've performed Anderson's for years and decided to order Axel's version. Have to wait a bit for delivery because he is on a lecture tour here in the states for another week or so. |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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Yeah I read those threads thoroughly before purchasing Axel's since it's not the cheapest one on the market, and for good reason. You absolutely get what you pay for (about $95 in the U.S. which includes shipping.) I was impressed at how quickly it arrived from Germany.
I may just have to learn Anderson's tear as well to really know the difference...asking too much will certainly expose the method which I obviously don't want to do.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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Axel Hecklau Regular user Berlin / Germany 116 Posts
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When I developed NEWSFLASH I started with the view to the effect not on the preparation time.
I have the feeling for many magicians is the preparation time more important than the effect. Do they tell their audiance "hey- it costs me 2 minutes only to set it up" ?? Let me tell here some facts were Newsflash is different to other Versions. - you have no angel problems - you can perform close-up (less than 1 meter) - no "fight" with the newspaper - the tearing process is as easy and natural as it could be. - The restauration takes place in breast hight in a "reading" posture in full size - In the moment just before the restauration, you do not have to put the fingers behind the package in order to take some "corners" This movement distroys the surprise to the audiance, because this motion tells the audiance - there is "something" importand behind the pieces and in a moment something will happen. I have eliminated this move in NEWSFLASH. (this is one of the main advantages of NEWSFLASH and makes it so surprising to the audiance) ... - the preparation time is similar to Gene Anderson´s (this is a statement from people who performed both methods) I met Gene Anderson on monday for the first time in my life. He is one of the most pleasant people I know. He was sitting in the front row in my lecture - it was quite exciting to me. But - Newsflash is not a variation of the "Anderson Version". It is different. Because the starting point of my development was the Toni Stevens Method (No Tear). In fact - I saw the Anderson Version in technical detail two month ago for the first time. I never tried the Anderson tear - I watched the performance of several magicans performing Genes and other Version and I looked for weak points of these methods from the spectators point of view (No tear, Patrick Page, Anderson). One of the best versions in my opinion is beside the Gene Anderson Newspaper, the Version of Robert Harbin. (the disadvantage here is, he has to sit down on a chair) I have performed NEWSFLASH at my booth in Nashville over 50 times since the last three days. (and I was not to lazy to prepare them by myself ;-) Hope that helps in the discussion. Axel Hecklau |
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts
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Hi axel,
this is the deaf guy who helped you at Marcs house the other night. loved the lecture and wanted to comment on the news flash I have performed Genes method for years and do love it BUT when I saw yours I msut admit the instant restoration wasa breathtaking. I agree with you that set up becomes a concern to many magicians but I think that is their problem not yours. it takes me and my team 8 hours to set up my illusion show for a 90 minute show but the point is the set up is not the show it is just he prep work that MUST be done in order to present this and other spectacular works of magic. again I will say that after seeing the lecture and actually holding it in my hands and having it pop open and change with such ease it was wild. so to any one I would say if you like your gene anderson version great but if you want to take it up a notch then you need to buy this from Axel. have fun sam ps hope I get to meet you again Axel it was a joy to do so.
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
http://www.samsandler.com http://www.deafinitelymagic.com |
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