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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
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On 2003-05-01 13:01, Jon Allen wrote: Jon, these DVD's are for enjoyment. If you are doing table-hopping like you normally do then I would say there are only a few things that you could use. I bought these to get fooled badly and to learn Henry's awesome secrets behind the effects. If you are doing more close-up and parlor magic than these DVD's have material suitable for those venues that will make your spectators back flip over their seats. Andrew |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I rent Star Wars when I want to be fooled by trick photography. I BUY magic DVD/Videos when I want to add killer material to my working ammo.
Chris;-)
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
Are you saying there is 'trick photography' involved in Henry Evan's videos? That they are not all practical in every situation does not make them 'unworkable' or 'trick photography'. They just have restrictions on where you can do them. Situations I'm sure many professional magicians find themselves in.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
What I'm saying about the Evans Videos is that he's doing effects up close that you could not dupliacte in the real world. He's taking advantage of having a hand picked audience ( unlike Jon Allen's BRILLAINT Video There Are No Spectators).
Chris;-)
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Speedy New user Singapore 45 Posts |
Personally have to agree in some point that not all can be perform "close up".
But generally, I really enjoy watching it and was entertained by the video. No regrets |
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
Henry does these effects close-up for laymen around his country!!!! Of course they work close-up!!! L&L's audience is no different than another audience out there and they are probably one of the most analytical minded audiences ever after watching so much magic!!! Henry does this for real people in the real world himself. He did it at FISM and it also worked great. Of course these effects can be done close-up.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
L&L's audience is different: they are there to support the performer so the videos sell. They know it and it shows.
The Evans marketted effects stink. That's my point (I have not tried/seen Chinese miser 's dream). Anyone that's doing them and thinks they are good is not being honest with themselves. It's like doing the pass in the miror and blinking during the sleight. Chris
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
Sorry, MagicChris, but I really don't believe it's up to you to decide what works and what doesn't in other magician's acts without seeing them perform. If you don't like Henry Evan's marketed effects, then don't buy them. Don't bash other magicians, because the effects don't play as well for you.
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
Marko, you are entirely correct. Chris is stuck on the idea that L&L is just being friendly. I have watched tons of L&L tapes and I think I have learned to distinguish supportive and polite applause between insane reactions. Henry Evans received the latter. And also, you have to keep in mind that Henry does this stuff for people close-up all the time at his gigs in Argentina. He wouldn't do it if it didn't work. Like marko said, if for some strange reason they dpon't work for you then don't buy them and get over it. I think you have yet to even try these Chris.
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Hi,
I have not got the tapes but the card into poly bag thing was performed by dealers on Bizzar de Magia stand and quite frankly it would not fool a blind man in a dark room in my opinion (perhaps if had his brain removed) Just my view though. Are they advirtising the dvds as close up material? I think if they are and the material is unsuitable then this is wrong otherwise that's fair enough there are plenty of non close up gigs Phillip Andrew, Just out of interest how exactly in close up real conditions not magic competition do you set up, let's say, the poly bag trick where the card penetrates it? Do you walk up to the table with it already nicely set on a black close up mat? And once it's in the bag how do you stop the people in other locations in the room or other tables from seeing the gimmick (I am trying not to expose the method here that why I am vauge though you could just ask a dealer for a demo then you would know anyway). Phillip |
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
No, Mr. Jones. I have done the trick you speak of called "Impossible Penetration" in both a parlor and a CLOSE-UP show. I would not say these effects are workable for table-hopping or walk around. These effects have their place in a show.
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
I would not say these effects are workable for table-hopping or walk around.
Hi, But for most working Pro's that is real world close up! Close up shows are more a magic comp thing, which I believe is what MR Evans is..Isn't he a MAGIC COMPETITION PERFORMER? The two latest DVDs that I have Purchased are "In the Trenches" Paul Green and "Outside the box" Nate Kranzo I thought that both of these had some good stuff though I will have to remove some of the flourishes from Nates routines for my own use. The thing that struck me about both DVD's was regardless of wether or not I liked the material the performers had clearly worked the material in real world conditions there was little to be prepared in advance or gimmicks left in play ect. The kind of thing that working over and over helps clean up. Phillip |
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
Mr. Jones,
Henry is not a "Magic Competition Performer." He uses this stuff in his normal work back in Argentina. Close-up shows are not just for competitions. They are a bit rarer because not all the time, does an audience want to sit down for a show. Surprisingly, I get a lot of them. The majority of the gigs that I do are close-up shows. They seem to be pretty popular down here. Andrew |
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
I usually agree with Phillip, but in this case, I have to side with Andrew. Many, maybe even most, of the close up shows I do are strolling or table-hopping, but I also do 50-75 formal, sit-down close up shows every year. I don't think the Evans stuff is particularly useful for table-hopping, although many of the underlying principles ARE. I do not perform any of Henry's stuff per se, but the thinking that went into it and his misdirection and audience management is first rate.
Part of the problem here is the problem in magic in general today: People want to buy a DVD and be able to do that guy's entire act just as he does it, without having to put the YEARS of practice and trial and error into it that the creator did (I'm not talking about Phillip here, just magic in general). I would submit that the tricks are the LEAST IMPORTANT PART of a magic book or video. What is important are the techniques and principles and theories that you can apply to your own performances, and the parts of the effects that you can adapt and make your own. Further, just because you can't ALWAYS use something (like lapping, for instance) doesn't mean you should NEVER use it! Even Marlo used a Stripper Deck occasionally, for Pete's sake! Whether you personally like or use the material on these tapes does not mean that Henry (and others) can't or don't use it to excellent effect. Everything does not work equally well for everyone. If you don't think these tapes are for you, don't buy them. If you think you won't learn anything from them you are almost certainly right--the opposite is also true.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Take Bill Malones's DVD's. Brilliant, real world material. If I perform Sam The Belhop and people don't react like they did for Bill, I don't blame him and his DVD.
But at least some of the Evans stuff would not play for an audience close up like he does it. The effcets are misleading. When I bought that plastic bag effect I couldn't believe what I got. It was a poor effect that through the magic of DVD, looked great. Ofg cours ethe over the TOP L&L audience loved it. Are all the Evand effects bad? No. But Bill Malone's DVD's had a couple of marketted effects that were not his. His only interest was entertaing magic. Evans used the forum to push his effects. I think enough people in the Café are saying the Evans stuff doesn't play well, that we should take it serious. You won't find anyone knocking Ammar's work. Or Malone's.
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
This is hilarious Chris. We already have proof that Evan's material works in the real world for shows. For him and others including myself.
Andrew |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Andrew, it's hilarious that myself and other Magi have opinions that differ from yours? Sorry you feel that way.
Let's open another topic on Mike Ammar's Easy To Master Card Miracles. No one will have a bad word to say. Why is that som many folks have a Problem with the Henry Evans material. There must be a reason. The effect with the plastic bags is a poor one. Why multiple bags? Why not one that is shown empty and their card appears in the bag and it can be taken out and given to them. It's like card in the wallet. The effect is dead if the card isn't signed. Laymen just think it's a duplicate.
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
Chris, they see a stack of empty bags on the table. That does it and its presentation from there. What I am laughing abou tis that you are denying facts and trying to prove them wrong.
Andrew |
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
MagicChris,
You seem to be very intent on comparing Evans' DVDs to Malone's and Ammar's. The thing is that Henry Evans is not either of those gentlemen, and what he does is not required to fit within the boundaries of what they do (especially in Ammar's case since none of the effects in his series are his own). Henry Evans is presenting his own material that he performs regularly and has success with (and apparently enough success to make him a recognized name with his own DVD set). If you would like to make a DVD set that includes all of your own original material, then please do so. I'm sure someone out there will find your material 'unsuitable' for them as well.
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Steven Leung Inner circle found the Magic Rainbow after 1614 Posts |
I am planning to get this video series also. I know that volume 2 is about card works. Can someone kindly tell me those card works also cannot perform in close-up distance?
You can PM me for that info. Thanks.
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