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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
Kreis now makes a magnetic half advertised as the strongest magnetic half ever made. Magic Warehouse has it for $42.00
Anybody try these yet? Im curious if the difference is enough to make them work with childs play and other devices that detect magnetic strength through a spectators hand. I know that the Johnson magnetic half is not strong enough to detect through a hand. |
RachelMilano New user United States 83 Posts |
I know a friend that is looking for one...thanks for the post.
I'd much rather regret something I've done than something I was too afraid to do. Have a great day. Rachel.
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Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
"Anybody try these yet? Im curious if the difference is enough to make them work with childs play and other devices that detect magnetic strength through a spectators hand. I know that the Johnson magnetic half is not strong enough to detect through a hand."
Anyone able to clarify on this as I am still looking for a strong 'magnet coin' of everyday currency (i.e not a magnetic coin shell or coin shim) that I might potentially use with a receiver/signaler. ?? Many thanks. |
rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
I guess this is still new and nobody has tried it, I am interested as well if it will work reliably with "Eye to Eye" or Childs Play 2?
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sebbyg Regular user Cherry Hill, NJ 119 Posts |
We all have the same question. Will it work with Child's Play?
Who's going to take the plunge first and find out? Maybe the manufacture can chime in? |
TomKMagic Special user I tripped over 620 Posts |
If I see on of these Kreis coins at Abbott's, I will be sure to try it with my Child's Play and report my findings to everyone. I hope it works well, but I am not sure if it will be as strong as The Relic from Outlaw, which is a much thicker coin.
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TomKMagic Special user I tripped over 620 Posts |
As the designer and builder of the Child's Play products, I have finally received one of these coins, and I must say, I am impressed with the strength of it. I have only played with it for a few minutes, but it seems about as strong as my Wizard PK and the ring I got with my Relic. Later tonight or this weekend, I will compare it to my Child's Play II Listerine pack and the special marble and The Relic and The Scorpion. This way, all of you will have some type of reference. I will probably practice with it more at Abbott's Magic Get Together Aug 6-9. I will have to try it on real people to see if the handling will be the same or similar. I am quite sure it will be, so start brainstorming your routines.
The answer to the question of will it work with Child's Play 1 and II and II and drress model, is yes, I am confident it will. Of course, with all magnets and sensors, the strengths and detection distances will vary slightly. Tom Kracker |
TomKMagic Special user I tripped over 620 Posts |
Ok, I was anxious to verify each of the items that I use with my Child's Play II. These values are all approximate, mostly for reference on the differences in strength of each item.
Listerine Pack 2.375" Wizard Ring 1.5" Special Marble 2" to 3.5" depending on what direction it is rotated Scorpion 2" to 4" depending on what direction it is rotated The Relic 2.125" Kreis Coin 1.5" So basically, it is the about the same strength as a PK ring. Based on this, I would definitely recommend buying one (and buying a Child's Play III if you don't have one already). I would say it is the strongest normal sized magnetic coin I have seen yet. The Johnson coin is a good product also, but the range is less than 1", which is not enough for me to veel comfortable doing a gues which hand it's in routine. For other routines, it might be OK. Let me know if you have any questions. Also, if you see me at Abbott's, say hi. Tom |
Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
Thanks for that, Tom. That was helpful to us all. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading on the Outlaw website recently that 'The Relic' had now been downsized to about the size and thickness of an old English penny/American half dollar. I am assuming that there has been no loss in 'range' as a result. (?)
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Even if a nice magnetic coin is somewhat expensive, it can be used with the cheapest possible hold out: a pin painted black.
To use it, place the coin flat on your extended right fingers, bring this to the left side of your chest and note the place where the coin arrives. Then, place a pin there. In actual performance, do a convincing false transfer, justifying the hand change by tugging the left sleeve keeping the left fingers closed as if holding a coin. Bring the alleged coin to the right elbow, Slydini style, as the other hand sticks the coin against the pin. Reveal the effect, showing your extended left fingers shown empty and, as you look up to the audience, open your arms with both hands open palm up. You have a complete vanish. You could also place a pin on the inner left side of your jacket (if you wear one) and you have a nice hold out ready to deliver an extra (magnetic) coin. Another neat place for this pin hold out is the inner side of the flap of your left side jacket pocket... So is the magnetic coin that expensive in comparison with other hold outs? Also, check Swalding's Okito Box for magnetic coins; it's a killer with a completely different approach. On the same subject, Paul Diamond had two little books made for magnetic coins, and they are full of original and rarely seen effects. Hope that this helps you.
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jerdunn Inner circle 1734 Posts |
Lawrence,
Thanks for posting your ideas. I am unclear on your pin ideas, though. If you put a pin on your chest and hang a coin there -- won't it be visible to the audience? Another idea for a holdout if you have a magnetic coin -- especially the new Kreis one -- is to just switch your keys to your back pocket and park the coin there as needed. Cheers, Jerry |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for your interest. The coin is partly screened by your arm as it is next to the ribs. However, it is not the point. The coin is not more visible than the third ball appearing in Michael Ammar's C&Bs routine, or the disappearance of the bag and pompom in Tommy Wonder's Cups and Balls, or the coin left on the table in Garrett Thomas and other coin magicians. It's not visible because the audience attention is focused to the right side at hands level, and for quite a while. When you know that the attention will get there during the routine, just cover it with the arm. Otherwise, keep your movements free. Spectators simply don't look there. Don't believe me, even though I've been doing this for years, just try it (it won't cost you much). I like your idea of the keys in the back pocket. In fact, years ago, I was discussing with Juan Tamariz a change he wanted to make in his colour changing knives routine. He wanted to suggest that his right hand was moist because of the heat and rub its right palm on his jeans (on the front of his thigh). A couple of second later, apparently still bothered by the heat, he would do it on the back and switch knives on his back pocket. Naturally, in this instance, it was the magnet which was in the back pocket. Actually, for some technical approach (but not always), a coin with a shim is sufficient when magnets can be concealed on the body. We may make a wider use of magnetic ruber as hold out. Be well
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
Lawrence, I hope you keep posting here... I like your thinking very much.
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jerdunn Inner circle 1734 Posts |
Hi Lawrence,
Thanks for clearing that up about the pin. Now that I understand -- your idea is very cool -- I'll try it. I can also imagine putting a safety pin on the INSIDE of the coat in the position you suggest -- at least for the new super-strong Kreis magnetic half. Magnetic rubber also seems like a great idea. I'll report how it works. Thanks for your ideas! Cheers, Jerry |
Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
Just to confirm, will this coin work with a magnetic ring in determining the hand it is concealed in? I am looking for a american currency coin that will do this. Has anyone else used this coin for I purpose I intend to use it for, and what are your feelings. Thanks!
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Mr. Ray Loyal user 234 Posts |
Is this any stronger than Lassen's magnetic coin?
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Mr.Crebar Loyal user 231 Posts |
Any other opinions
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mwmagic Loyal user 262 Posts |
May I make an observation here...
The super strong magnetic coin that is 'so impreesive' has 2mm in 24mm extra distance in Kreis' own tests than the next version down. Is it that much better with CPII than a bog standard economy magnetic half? |
rosenkrantz New user USA 71 Posts |
I do not own CP 1 or 2, but I do own the coin and all I can say is WOW! It is VERY strong compared to my johnson. I am super comfortable using this with my magnetic pull and not worrying the coin will fall off. It is very strong and I suggest it to anyone who's regular magnetic half isn't strong enough.
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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts |
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On 2008-12-11 04:50, Mr.Crebar wrote: No, the coin is not strong enough. Anyone know if Lassen's magnetic Morgan is strong enough to be picked up by a Ch***'s P**y with their palm down? Best, Doug L.
Douglas Lippert
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