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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2008-09-04 11:14, karbonkid wrote: Hey bro! I was answering that post from my Iphone! Can you add something to this conversation or did you just want to chime in to let me know that I spelled you with a "u" because I "texted" the post? I'm pretty sure the "professional" line was a little jab at me, is there something else you need to talk about with me via pm? Do you still harbor bad feelings about me because I called you out last year when you couldn't come up with names of restaurants you currently work or provide a name for yourself? |
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Leeman Special user Hollywood, CA 709 Posts |
I love Denny's.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Hart, I always thought it was great that Lance worked the venue he did ( he wasn't just starting out ). It was an upscale club, but women took off their clothes. Adult clubs have fancy names as well, but they're swinger clubs. As I said, I don't care where anyone works. I only care that they represent the art properly. As expected, Lance got standing ovations. It's you that have snobbery and judgment on venues.
Hart, as I suspected, you feel it was OK for Lance to work at a "Gentlemen's Club" because he is Lance Burton. That's the only reason you are forgiving of it. You said you would never work at a Denny's in Beverly Hills, but it's OK to work at a strip club in L.A. That makes sense to you. Did you ever think that maybe a performer that was devoutly religious may feel that isn't OK and would have judgments about you? Would that sit well with you? Would you care what they thought? Should people care what you think? Hart, your posts simply do not make sense. 2+2 has to equal 4 or at least always equal 6. Yours equal 5, 8, 11, etc. You seem obsessed with where people choose to work. You want them to hold up to a certain standard that you yourself admittedly don't meet. As far I go, I get work the same way I did long before the Internet arrived. It has and continues to work for me. If I moved, I would have to change that. I'm sure you have a view on that, just as your trying to help Christopher Lyle and all the other Magicians that aren't in line with your view on how they should conduct business. I think until you drop your non performing day job and follow your own advice and leave Applebees to only work only upscale restaurants, there won't be much interest in your views as to why your right and others are wrong in their choices on where to work. I seem to have taken you away from your mission of convincing Christopher Lyle why he should not work his one night a week at Denny's. I think he made his position clear and is not interested in your view on why he should leave. If he continues to converse with you on the subject, he'll be wasting his time as it would be like trying to convince a religious zealot that performing magic isn't the devil's work. Hart, good luck with your witch hunt.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2008-09-04 14:31, Christopher Kavanagh wrote: Chris, I don't think what someone thinks is "OK" has anything to do with it. We were talking about clientele, tips, and number of outside gigs different types of restaurants bring. I simply pointed out that a strip club in LA is a lot different than a Denny's or Applebee's, does that make sense? We are not talking about religion here Chris, again, you are trying to bring in other issues that I don't feel apply here. I am not "obsessed" with this, I just thought the Café was a good place to have an open dialogue about this subject, is it not? This is a great place to hear DIFFERENT opinions on important(at least in our line of work) issues. Have I not CLEARLY stated in all of my posts that I am speaking from MY OWN experience? Are you not speaking from YOUR OWN experience? Did I do something wrong by bringing this up? What if I hadn't Chris? We would never have gotten to hear Mr. Baker's interesting take on the subject, right? You said: I'm sure you have a view on that, just as your trying to help Christopher Lyle and all the other Magicians that aren't in line with your view on how they should conduct business I'm sure I do have a view on that, but that isn't what we are talking about right now. Not in line with my view???? I am not trying to be a nazi here Chris, again, just trying to have an open dialogue, which has brought out some interesting views. What the Café should be for, right? You said: I think until you drop your non performing day job and follow your own advice and leave Applebees to only work only upscale restaurants, there won't be much interest in your views as to why your right and others are wrong in their choices on where to work. Are you serious Chris? This is like me saying you are not allowed to comment here in the table hoppers section because you don't currently work any restaurants. Remember when you asked me earlier about that? Or is this different? Please explain... This is not a "mission" of mine or a "witch hunt" as you put it. Just a conversation. You are being a little extreme in your analogies and accusations, please tone it down a bit bud...we are on the same team at the end of the day. |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
I'm bored with this thread! I posted it to help you guys out. If you're TOO GOOD to earn money, then don't take the easy show. It matters not to me. I won't be reading any more on this thread. If anyone has questions or wishes to chat, shoot me a PM.
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Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
.... Some people seem to think this forum is for making lengthy point-by-point essay style rebuttals to other peoples messages ....
People are allowed to have differing opinions, guys. |
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karbonkid Special user 951 Posts |
"Hey bro! I was answering that post from my Iphone! Can you add something to this conversation or did you just want to chime in to let me know that I spelled you with a "u" because I "texted" the post?
I'm pretty sure the "professional" line was a little jab at me, is there something else you need to talk about with me via pm? Do you still harbor bad feelings about me because I called you out last year when you couldn't come up with names of restaurants you currently work or provide a name for yourself?" Hey bro, try not spare us the milliseconds that it takes to type out replies. I hope you use all that saved up time (from typing 'U's and 'R's versus english words) at the end of your days, and you get a whole extra minute to your life. If you cannot take grammer seriously, how do we know you take your magic seriously? It's a simply a point to make. I think as magicians we should pride ourselves as gentlemen. Be well spoken. Well written. Be open minded. You wondered why you don't have a regular place that has more prestige behind the name, I'm telling you, R U doing all U can 2 make a st8ment? P.S. - I got your PM, and would have let it happily die there, but, you decided to run off at the mouth, like last time. |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2008-09-05 08:18, karbonkid wrote: Karbon, ease up buddy... Its hard for me and I'm sure others on here to take you or your views seriously when you still won't post under your real name or provide the name of the restaurants you work at. For all we know you could have NEVER set foot in a restaurant as a magician. I think it matters more on this section of the Café than me replacing "you" with "u"... Don't you think???? |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2008-09-05 08:18, karbonkid wrote: Hey smart guy, its grammar, not "grammer". Also, there shouldn't be an "a" after "It's". Sucks getting called out for minor details, doesn't it? Get over yourself and next time you want to come at me do it using your real name and try providing at least a few credentials. L8er Mr. "Professional"... |
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Casey Magic Regular user North Carolina 177 Posts |
Hart,
I hate to agree with this guy, but, for me, I really detest that type of talk. I can see how someone would see it as unprofessional, but, to get the topic back on track, why is it that you think that you have not made it to where you want to be? Personally, I've worked several places, bars and eateries, and for me, maybe not unlike Christopher up there, you eventually make a name for yourself and become sought after. Then these things become something of the past. Not in a bad way, just in an economics kind of way. So, how do you plan to elevate the art of your magic? Sincerely, Michael Casey |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
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On 2008-09-05 16:41, Casey Magic wrote: Hi Michael, sorry if I offended you by "airing" my dirty laundry with Karbonkid. We had a little "issue" a year ago and he knew that making a SINGLE post on this thread that added nothing more than a jab at me would upset me...and it did. My apologies to everyone for hijacking the thread. Karbonkid and myself are going to be professional from here on out and go to pm's to settle things...I hope:) Other than that, like Lyle, I am kind of burned out on this thread. My previous posts should answer your questions. Just as Lyle wanted to share what he had found I wanted to share what I have found in my own experience regarding the different types of restaurants and the returns they yield. Please understand that I was only speaking from my OWN experience and I was being sincere. I hope it helps some magi who are thinking of approaching some different restaurants. Just remember that sometimes the paved, "easy" road will have potholes ahead and vice versa. I'm not going to lie, even the first Applebee's wasn't "easy" to get. After the "trial night" the manager said he would go ahead and do one night per month. He payed my fee for two hours each month and that was it. Then after a couple months it was twice a month. Then a little while after that it was weekly AND he threw in a meal on top of my fee. Fast forward 3 or 4 years and now I am at another location, (which was easy to get because of the first). Just as some Café members who post in this section never have and never will work a restaurant, I may never leave Applebee's (until they ask me to). They pay my fee and as I said before I do get bookings, just not as many as the other restaurant. That was the whole point of my posts. I hope I got some of you thinking and didn't offend to many of you. Its hard to "read" the tone of posts. Unfortunately, many workers who used to post here all the time have been chased off by smart-*** "armchair workers", this one may not be too far behind, at least that's what I said before my last hiatus... |
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Casey Magic Regular user North Carolina 177 Posts |
Honestly, venue is hugely important in how people perceive your magic. Denny's is not what I want my magic, personally, to be related to. Not to say that it's bad, but, it doesn't fit me. Neither would Applebee's. But that's me. I know who I am, as a magician, and where I want to perform and my magic to be seen. I think the Denny's thing is great and would fit a ton of folks in these forms and be great for them. Having said that, I think that the people who would potentially find 'pitfalls' in this sort of performance, aren't looking for this sort of venue, you know?
Otherwise, that was mighty professional of you, Hart! |
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Leeman Special user Hollywood, CA 709 Posts |
They have a new menu for the late night crowds that starts after 10pm even though it;s called the midnight menu and they have a thing called potachos which are nachos but in place of tortilla chips they use regular potato chips, which the brits call crisps.
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james1a Loyal user 209 Posts |
Many years ago a well known pro was talking about performing for money. At this time he was working the best night clubs in London. He would also work working mens clubs, because he could do it on his way to the night clubs, do the same act get paid about 25% of what he was paid at his other gigs. But he said it was always in cash and it was there to do. His name was Billy ###... etc.
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CarlEJones Elite user Dallas, Texas 461 Posts |
Wow. I read this entire thread that started with chris sharing a tip to help people in a weak economy and was amazed at where things went.
To each his own and I don't honestly think that those guys at Denny's are doing any harm to magic overall - while they feed their family and ply their trade . Jeff McBride once told me the best magicians perform the most. The venue and pay didn't matter. Just my 2 cents worth. Carl
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nums Veteran user I have a life, or I would have more than 366 Posts |
I worked at a Bob Evans for a few weeks to try it out, this was 6 years ago now. A lady asked me for my card and she is in charge of Moral Support at our local military base. Between what she gives me a year and along with the other gigs stemming from it I would say over the past 6 years she has probably given me $35-40K.
I also currently work at a yacht club every Thursday and have for the past 4 years, I have not gotten that kind of return from the yacht club. I love the yacht club, I have some great rgular customers and do a good share of parties but no nearly the amount as I got from just a few weeks at Bob Evans. I love to eat at Fogo De Chao, for those who do not know what that is check at http://www.fogodechao.com anyway I also eat at Dennys, so do CEO's, moms, business owners and all kinds of people. Money is greeen. People are people and work is work. I also saw a question about would Lyle leave a resturaunt for another. I am in it for the long haul, I know a certain person who frequents this board who said he moved here as he worked himself out of his other hometown. He works an establishment until the perties slows down and moves on to another, he has been here only 10 years and I would say in 5 more he will have worked himself out of this area. I sign the contract with a handshake and as long as my returaunt is happy with me and I am happy with them all is good. NUMS |
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NurseRob Elite user Dallas, TX 469 Posts |
Howdy Carl!! nice to see you on the Café. I too have followed this thread, and have been holding my comments, as I only do family/kid magic for free, guess I would be only the dirt on the gum on the shoe of an aspiring restaurant magician. Our good friend Christopher Lyle was simply sharing a potential opportunity for other working magicians, and what a stoning that turned out to be. If you love performing magic for people, and can make a living at it in ANY VENUE, you should be performing. Every hour you sit at home, is a bit of astonishiment being denied the public. Gazzo and Jimmy Talks A lot are street legends..no place should be off limits to good magic. People are everywhere.
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nonvpro Inner circle 1844 Posts |
You rock NoVaCain!
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Christopher Lyle ROCKS! It's a shame he got punched in the face for trying to help others.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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