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Gidon New user Tacoma, Wa 80 Posts |
Where did the first spellbound routine come from? Also, is there a spellbound or similar routine in Bobo's? I've been looking for a while through the book and I haven't seen one. If there's not one in Bobo's where should I turn to get a good routine? I've seen Dan Watkin's but his uses four coins and I'd like to stick to a CSB set. I hear there's a great one on the Ultimate Coin magic 1 DVD. Are there any other good sources?
Chris Harland
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Bernard Sim Inner circle Singapore 1095 Posts |
Check out New York Spellbound by Curtis Kam in Palms of Steel 1 and Hellbound Spellbound in Chris Kenners' book Out of Control
Bernard Sim
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eddieloughran Special user 942 Posts |
I think the move is usually credited to Edward Victor, but its worth pointing out that it is a move, a slight, not a trick in itself.
Some good routines using it are in the books - Coinmagic and, to a lesser extent David Roths book, both by Richard Kaufman. Both books should be in any coin workers library anyway. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Gidon, The routine with that name as most people learned it is Dai Vernon's and comes from 'Stars of Magic'. A book well worth having and working through. There are several such books you may wish to study. Regards Jonathan
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
The concept is in Magic of the hands by Edward Victor. The first "routine" is by Vernon, in Stars of Magic. There are dozens of variations since Vernon, by every coinman who has published, practically. Scotty York pioneered the "Triple Change" Spellbound in "Scotty York on Coins"... There is no version in Bobo. I would go to the original material first, since it still plays beautifully in its' original form, and prepares you for the changes that the routine goes through as thinking advances - sort of like learning to read music before you start to write music...
Best, PSC
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Andrew E. Miller Inner circle Southern California 1428 Posts |
Scotty York has come incredible spellbound stuff on his videos from A-1. Check those out.
Andrew |
Mark Martinez Inner circle Wisconsin 1276 Posts |
I can second Hellbound Spellbound in Chris Kenners book "Out of Control"
Magically,
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
There is the "Protean Coin" routine in Bobo's, which duplicates the general effect, but not the methodology, of Vernon's "Spellbound". Also, in the "quick Tricks" section isn't there a routine involving an repeat "instantaneous change" between a Penny and a dollar? Perhaps there is sleeving involved.
I agree with pchosse, though, the starting point is "Stars of magic". Of course, that's true of a lot of routines.
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bakerkn Regular user 121 Posts |
As Mr Chosse points out, Edward Victor's "The Changing Coin" was the basis for the Vernon routine.
Vernon modified the handling - for example he substituted the purse palm for the high finger palm that Victor used and eliminated a coin steal - but the basic structure is quite similar. Mr Kam neglects to mention his New York Spellbound which, as well as showcasing both his Twist Change and the Townsend Circulus Switch, also has a presentation that makes sense (to me!). Kevin |
Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
I love the spellbound effect, but am I the only one who thinks the effect must have played a lot stronger when you could borrow the half dollar and give it back at the end of the routine? This immediately eliminated the idea that the coin must be double-sided which, although usually not the case in most spellbound routines, still gives the spectator a plausible answer even if you "prove" to them that the coin isn't gimmicked.
Or am I worrying too much about nothing? Paul
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Maxx New user Germany 24 Posts |
I don't think that the effect is much stronger then. In a good spellbound routine you can easily show the coins on both sides (even if you are using a c/s coin). This is why I like the New York Triple Spellbound, the audience cannot believe that your are handling three coins.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Thanks for mentioning NYSB, guys. I have to agree that finding the presentational premise was the most difficult part. I did the routine for about a year before the "checking the lighting" idea came about.
For those of you who are really, really curious, I published a routine in my very limited edition first book "All the World's a Stage". The idea was that you turned a clad half dollar inside out, leaving it looking like a copper slug. Same types of moves, but different effect. And, as I was looking over the threads here today, it occured to me that the "Eraser Coin" might make a good finish to a spellbound routine. You do the SB changes, then reach into your pocket for the eraser. The second coin is left in the pocket, and the eraser coin is where it should be. This would work quite easily. Of course, I'll bet David Roth has already tried this.
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Alex W. Loyal user 211 Posts |
Actually, I was watching a David Roth lecture on video a while ago, and that was how he switched in the eraser coin.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Another great original idea scooped by the inventor! Thanks, for pointing that out, Alex. And I thought I was the only Tom Robbins fan at the Café, too.
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Curtis - the dollar to dime effect in Bobo is absolutely stunning in the right hands! I first saw a fellow named Joe Sarabia do this - he was a Martial Arts Master, and a welder - short stubby hands, calloused and rough. The changes looked like Black Magic! The effect is different, I think, because of the size change - it is so startling that they can't quite comprehend what's happened at first, and by the time they start to think switches, you've done some proofs that throw them off again - Joe had a marvelous clean-up that left him barehanded and really finished up a nicely crafted piece - wish I could tip it, but Joe is still around - I'd have to ask him first!
I'd love to swap triple change routines - I've been doing one since '77 that fooled everybody at the time, and still does - Mike Weber actually asked me to do it for him standing side by side at the urinals in Penngrove CA at a one day convention and went away talking to himself - not that it is that good, but I was in short sleeves and started and ended clean after triple changes, while standing at the urinals! The patter actually makes sense too! For the standard Spellbound I had a half copperplated and a Penny silverplated, so the patter about changing metals made sense - no great brainstorm, but at the time no one had done it and it just seemed so obvious (don't forget this was over 30 years ago)... Here's a hint on the triple - I started with Scotty's routine, took out the sleeving, added a concealment, used a Vernon technique for the final change, and came up with a cleanup that leaves you barehanded - only one really original move, but the combinations made the thing work... Hope we can get together on this in person sometime (by the way I got your PM, I'm looking forward to chatting...) Best, PSC
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
Nice, "newer" alternative sources are Paul Wilson's routine from his lecturenotes. Never saw a spellboundroutine that looked so magical, only using pure sleight of hand.
Tommy Wonder's Counterfeiter's Spellbound is so devilishly clever in it's construction you can't help to try it. Although I do not own them I bet The Apocalypse collections might be the largest resource for routines like spellbound...
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Paul,
On the cleanup that left you barehanded at the urinal, was that inspired by Malini's legendary ditch of a gold coin into the spittoon? And was a messy reset involved, I guess is what I'm asking. Thanks to your post, I'm thinking about SB again, and really hoping we can get you to come out to Vegas. You would have liked my "Inverted Spellbound" described above. The gaff was a clad half with the face side ground off. The coin was "inverted" by any number of spellbound moves, and then shown to be a copper slug on both sides via one of Sol Stone's paddle moves for coins, done from spellbound position, naturally. That established, the coin was restored to its normal state simply by turning the gaff over, and then switching after the change. There was a nice moment where the (gaffed) coin was made to spring from the fingertips of one hand, to the palm of the other, causing it to visibly invert on impact. Later, most of my thoughts about Spellbound were tied up in "wild coin" routines, and a version of "Reset" with coins. I really don't do the two-coin spellbound anymore, since I find I get a very satisfying reaction when the third coin appears. I hold back on it a little, and let them form some opinions about the initial changes first. (Those of you with NYSB know what I'm talking about)
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Hi guys,
I love to push spellbound I have A 5 way and An 8 way spellbound! Best David Neighbors The Coinjurer |
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