I checked out the 1 on 1 over at theory 11 with Jason England going over the bottom deal. That guy is great. Very detailed and informative video. He goes over the basic grips that you should start out with, because it's these grips that help you develop the basis for a very deceptive bottom deal down the road. He then teaces his handling of the bottom deal, the one he currently uses. And I gotta tell you, it's probably one of the best bottom deals I have ever witnessed. THis guy is a freak! He goes over different grips, angles, subtleties, push outs, strikes, and even some other great sources to check out their work on the bottom deal.

Overall, if your even just a little interested in learning the bottom deal get this. I know there is tons of books and dvd's that teach this, but learning from Mr. England you'll have no questions when your done with the lesson. Expect the same quality as the strike second video which was also great

Even if you think your bottom deal is great, you won't regret getting this video. YOu'll be humbled in the process as well, I promise. I've been fascinated with the bottom deal for years, and just wanna say this was THE most useful information I have seen since I started learning the deal. Two thumbs up.

Forgot to put a link
http://www.theory11.com/1on1/

Definitely interested in Mr England's work....

They (T11) have this as INTERMEDIATE in difficulty level! Any comments?

IMO, the bottom deal is one of the most difficult sleights I have ever tried, to perfect. It is right up there with table faros and center deals for me.

Kim

I agree; easy to perform but incredibly hard to perfect.



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That's what I thought! I haven't really even started working on bottoms yet but what I've read and seen on vids it looks pretty difficult! I assume that T11 says intermediate for marketing purposes as I can't see Jason calling it anything but what it is!
I am gonna download this since I do plan to study the sleight and I've always heard good about JE's work!

Thanks for the opinions guys,

Mick

From what I've seen from the trailer the work looks wonderful.The same for the push-trough.

Jason was going to produce a manuscript on the bottom deal following his excellent Second Thoughts notes on the second deal. T11 has clearly surplanted that and the work look outstanding. Well done to Jason England.

Regards,

Paul

Jason!

Why did you make the decision on making several video's instead of one video on several moves?

All in all, looks great!

020

They can make one DVD and take 35$ for it, or can post separate videos and take 10$ or more $ each time.
But anyway, great videos. I hope that one day we will see some of Fulves Riffle books on DVD

Jason,did you heard ?

Brilliant download worth every penny in fact it's worth a lot more than that my favourite is the strike mechanics grip however it's proving very difficult

luke

You guys remember Shade?

A.

Anything By Jason Rocks!!! He teaches what he knows and he knows it WELL!!! Worth the $$$ mabee even double....




j

His bottom deal is great but nothing really new in this 1 on 1. Everything has been taught elsewhere.

Hi "in flames",

I'm not sure about the tone in which you wrote your statement, but I feel compelled to at least explain why I think this might be $15.00 well spent.

I don't think anyone can or will dispute your statement, all this material has been presented before....... in about 100 different publications.

I just spent about twenty minutes looking for all the bottom dealing references I have and and have come up with about $1300.00 worth of material that has some aspect of Bottom Dealing.

What makes this eloquent presentation by Mr. England unique is the composition of four major grips rather than just the preferred grip of the authors of the all the other material to which you are referring.

One of the biggest "secrets" Mr. England discusses in his tutorial is his use of the corner to corner pressure display wherein the deck is held exclusively with the thumb and finger, that's only mentioned in passing in "Erdnase" and I'm sure Marlo* has some work on this esoteric finesse, Mr. England believes this to be a major key in becoming a Bottom Dealing expert.

For me, the bottom line is: for an intermediate card man this is a valuable resource, for the beginner, it would be just downright silly not to have this offering from Jason England in your library.

This is a compilation of what one of the best card men in the world has learned about bottom dealing in a clear concise format. In all candor, this could save a beginner hundreds and hundreds of hours by eliminating that which isn't needed to become an expert.

Dave

* I can't find a Marlo reference, but I'm sure it's there somewhere!

Dave,

Thanks for the kind words. I can see "in flames" point in the broad sense, but I'm glad you stepped in to clarify the video's strengths. Saved me the trouble.

I also appreciate your comment regarding beginners. That's who the video was designed for, naturally. The more you know about bottom deals, the less likely you are to learn anything new from any source. In Flames is a regular around here, and although I don't know him, he likely knows more than the average bear about these sorts of things.

Jason

PS: Regarding Marlo, look in Seconds, Centers and Bottoms, on page 7. Figure 1 shows the two contact points and Marlo discusses the concept of diagonal pressure in the paragraphs immediately surrounding that illustration, though you sometimes have to read between the lines just a bit. From just above Fig. 1:

"...opposite diagonal corners of the deck will be gripped..."

That should be a major consideration while creating a video of this nature. I sincerely hope that the video in question has met this criterion. And keeping in mind the earlier posts by JE on the T11 video releases I am quite sure of this.

But Jason don't you ever hold something back ?

Dave,

Marlo's reference can be found In Seconds, center's and bottoms. Under master grip which also follows the bottom deal. pg. 7-11. You also can find A reference in Marlo mint vol.1. Like Dave said you can spend a lot of money and search on your own, hoping you can dial in the bottom deal for your self, or you can buy Mr. England's video which will probably help in get the feel fast and quicker.


Note* The Marlo references do not go into any detail pertaining to the corner to corner pressure but there is a pic (fig.1 I believe) and it also mentions that this is what you should do.


So go buy England's goods.