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To expand a little on my previous comment:

I'd say you can get an excellent bottom/second deal from these notes in a relatively short amount of time (provided you put in the work, of course). All the information you need is in there. Probably the best written descriptions you'll find and cover all the bases (dead thumb, dead hand, emerging angle, sound etc).

Of course you'll want to look up other sources and read around, and you'll find a complete list of sources in the back of the notes. How handy. Smile
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I purchased and watched the video about 15-minutes ago. It was well worth the $15.

Until 15-minutes ago, I learned the bottom deal completely from books. Watching the video by Jason injected renewed motivation into my practice.

It's hard to say why watching the video improved my morale. It might be that the video showed that I am not doing anything wrong. It might be that Jason emphasizes the difficulty of the move. Maybe it was that the exposed angles in the video show that even expert bottom deals look awful from some angles. In any case, the path of practice to proficiency that Jason explained helped to renew my commitment to this often disheartening technique.

Thank you Jason for putting this video out there and making it reasonably priced.

https://store.theory11.com/products/bott......-england

Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M

I used to be quite sensitive to criticism; I am much less so now; so, please do criticize my technique, presentation, and posts. It helps me to grow, and I promise to take responsibility and not to be defensive.

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Jason I also have your video on the bottom. There is one thing I have not seen by anyone teaching the sleight and that is hand preparation I have dry skin any recommendation of a prep that you think is good?
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Cbharrelson,

I have commented on skin dryness and the problems it causes anyone trying to perform false deals in other places, but not on that video. There's no one-size fits all solution, but my general recommendation is to try a variety of lotions and cremes until you find one you like. The ones I've had success with are Neutrogena Norwegian Formula and also O'Keefe's Working Hands creme. Both are available at most pharmacies in the U.S. I can use either one, but probably prefer O'Keefe's by a slim margin. Neutrogena has one thing going for it: I can occasionally find it in very small travel size squeeze bottles. They fit right in my pocket and are very convenient. O'Keefe's typically only comes in a large tub the shape of a hockey puck or a large squeeze bottle. Either are great for your home practice area (or to keep one in the car or something), but are a bit too large for most pockets.

Jason
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Thank you Jason. I appreciate your advice. Keep up the good work on the videos.
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For the past several weeks, I had been practicing the bottom deal with an old deck. Today, I started practicing with a brand new deck. Doing a bottom deal with an old deck is much different than doing one with a new deck. The new deck tends to break apart in my hands. Also, the push off is different with a new deck, as the third finger has less friction with it and the cards are stiffer.

Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M

I used to be quite sensitive to criticism; I am much less so now; so, please do criticize my technique, presentation, and posts. It helps me to grow, and I promise to take responsibility and not to be defensive.

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@ Shaun
Are you doing Erdnase grip or mechanics grip?
I'm still in the erdnase grip stage. One thing I found with this grip dealing new deck is that positioning the second finger slightly towards the right edge instead on the outer right corner helps preventing the deck from slipping apart.
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Simon, I am using a modified Erdnase grip. Indeed, a little more wrap around with
the second finger provides more control. Also, I've found that more hooking
pressure with the first finger also helps. For me, a newer deck requires a firmer
grip whereas an older deck affords a looser one.

Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M

I used to be quite sensitive to criticism; I am much less so now; so, please do criticize my technique, presentation, and posts. It helps me to grow, and I promise to take responsibility and not to be defensive.

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This is the current, unabashed state of my technique:



There remains a lot of areas to improve:

1. Decrease the finger flash.
2. Make the take sound the same as a normal take.
3. Rhythm...
4. Make the take consistent.
5. Make the sail accurate.
6. Make thee spin of the sail consistent.

P.S. In due course, mister England, I will send you a PM, to ask the board certified
specialist for practice suggestions. In the meantime, exploring the technique with
first-year medical school students provides a sense of belonging and community.

P.P.S. This year, in addition to maintenance, I am working on two new items:

* the Bottom Deal,
* the Slow Motion Aces

I've a l-o-n-g road ahead of me.

Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M

I used to be quite sensitive to criticism; I am much less so now; so, please do criticize my technique, presentation, and posts. It helps me to grow, and I promise to take responsibility and not to be defensive.

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