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Mindpro

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Posted: Dec 4, 2008 12:05am
I just got a chance to finally start reading this as it arrived while I was out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday. Although there have been a few posts about this I haven't really heard much else said about this and I am actually quite surprised. First let me say it is the best looking book I've seen in some time. Very classy and high quality.
I'm only half way through this and must say this is something that will be an added "keeper" to my collection. It is written from a working pro with real world experience.
Although I do not know Mr. Biss I have regularly used his Impressional Mind Board and was quite intrigued by the idea of a book accompanied with two live performances on DVD that inclides the author's commentary and review of the performances, warts and all. Again real world things from real world performances.
Of course the routines using his IMB offered many possibilities as do the majority of routines in the book. While it is over 300 pages in volume,I enjoyed it was not just a book of effects or routines, but has equally included insight and perspectives on everything from concept and the creation of ideas, to working things out and finding your own performing style and personna, to understanding the process of working out and improving the workings of his material. Many of the routines and concepts included are improvements or advanced workings of concepts and effects in his working performances. The feel is very real and based on experience not just theory. Much of the material is very performer-friendly and adaptable to a variety of performance styles.
My compliments to Mr. Biss on a great project and resource. I will say this has been my best purchase of the year. The working knowledge and amount of material and insights covered is quite complete. I like that there are many original ideas and creations as well as adaptation of material that are staples to any mentalist or psychic performer.
I've read some negative thoughts about James Biss, but after reading this book I feel he has grown probably as both a performer and as a the author of a knowledgable resource for the worker. Not everybody is a creator of new concepts and ideas, I know I'm not. But I like how James has made his own creations as well as putting his personal spin, and in many cases in my opinion, improvements to existing concepts.
He has given credit to many in this book, which was a source of concern for some here at the Café. This is a matter that is of little interest to me and absolutely no interest to our audience as performers. For all of those Café critics who are concerned and bothered by this, it seems he has offered proper credit and inspiration in his writing abd breakdowns.
Many reviews seem to focus just on the routines and workings, which was of interest to me as well. But I must say I was quite pleased that this book offered much more than this and in my opinion delivered more than expected. I hope James Biss lectures in my area to support this book as I for one will be front and center.
Mindpro
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nboisen

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Posted: Dec 4, 2008 12:37am
Great comments! Thanks.
I will definitely be ordering this!
Any particular routines you would single out for special mention?
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Mindpro

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Posted: Dec 8, 2008 9:15am
Sorry, I've quite busy performing on the road and away from my computer. When I made the original post I had just started reading this great new book. I have now read the entire book and as with all good reference matrerials I am now reading it my second time from a different perspective and am finding even more great ideas and possibilities. Please let me also say that I have not had the opportunity to view the DVD yet and that is to me one of the most beneficial elements to this resource, seeing two live performances complete with narrative commentary. I can't wait to get to that.
There are many routines in the book and I think the ones that will stand out to you may vary and depend on your style and type of performance. I can say that most all of the performances can be adaptable to most performers and that every mentalist reading this material should walk away with more than just a few ideas and concepts.
Alreading owning the Impressional Mind Board, there are several routines utilizing this great tool, plus detailed insight into what is probably the number one thought or question to everyone who owns this, this is covered very well and completely.
Zennerblocker is a great routine using ESP Cards combining a series of random choices by five spectators with aspects of a great chair routine. This is thouroughly thought out and offers many possibilities.
Taking Pictures is a great Q & A type effect using a different, more vivid approach, which James executes quite well in spite of a difficult audience member heckling him from their seat during the performance. Great effect, great handling and many unique facts to this piece.
Chinese Oracle offers great thinking on a newspaper-type prediction effect with a great prediction reveal at the end.
There's a great cell phone prediction routine called The Dating Game where a girl is brought up on stage and the performer along with several possible suitors (male and yes, even one interested female) assist in prediction the cellphone number of the bachlorette, which is the dialed only to ring live to her astonishment.
There are also many other effects that were first offered in Messing With Minds that were continuations and progressions of some of his previous works which too very very strong.
I also have my two personal favorites that I won't reveal. One is just a quick routine included, but th epossibilities to me and my performance style just jumped off the page and right into my act. The other will take myperformance into an entirely new dimension using an area of mentalism I have yet to explore but offers many exciting possibilities.
I must admit that there are many hiddlen "gems" in this book - routines as well as ideas, concepts and handlings that give this its true value to the working mentalist. The props presented offer many uses and possibilities. I can't say enough about The Remote Viewing Packs - fantastic!. I must say these "gems" are sprinkled thoughout the entire book. You must read every word of this book. Then...just when you are coming to the end...bam!...another fantastic "hidden" gem to even elevate this book to another level and purpose. Like a good movie with an unsuspected and surprize ending you never saw coming...this book overs the goods right up to the very last page.
Overall this book was not just thrown together or a collection of updates and the same old stuff. While many of the principles are standard mentalism fare, what James Biss has done with them should provide thought provoking ideas and presentation to every performer who reads this objectively.
I have never met James Biss and also do not agree with several of the presentation angles that he and many other performers are using with regard to making the spectator the mindreader (I'm seeing this more and more). This is my favorite purchase of the year and will remain in my reference library for continued use over and over again. Even the routines that may not apply to my style, they can easily be altered or adapted with the ideas presented in these pages.
I can't wait to watch the DVD and hear the commentary.
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JamesBiss

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Posted: Dec 10, 2008 7:04am
Wow! Thank's for your kind words... Hope you're all "blown" away with my humble new offering...
Warm regards from ccccold Canada,
James
James Biss
Creator of
MESSING WITH MINDS (Out of Print)
THE IMPRESSIONABLE MIND BOARD
ESP MIND SET
REMOTE CONTROL PACKS
...and my recent book MIND BLOWING
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MINDPSYCHIC

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THE NETHER-REGIONS OF THE HUMAN MIND
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Posted: Dec 13, 2008 3:13pm
Thanks for the detailed review Mindpro. I just ordered this book based upon your review- I too have an impressionable mind board and am looking forward to some additional info on handlings and such. Thanks again for the info- and cheers to Mr. Biss for his contribution to the art.
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jjsanvert

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Posted: Dec 14, 2008 5:59am
I am just reading this book - and it looks fabulous. I just added 2 days ago the design duplication routine (just after reading it, as I immediatly loved the concept): this is a great routine on stage - probably the closest to the "real thing" you can do.
This book is full of fantastic ideas for stage performances (and I read only a third of the book!)
JJS
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overflow

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Posted: Dec 14, 2008 8:33am
........I bought the book with the DVD on an online shop from UK.....and I had a not working DVD. It stops during the play. I tried the disc on different players and it always fails
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JamesBiss

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Posted: Dec 14, 2008 11:44am
Hi Folks,
I'm delighted to read that you're enjoying the book as much as I did writing it these past three years. I'm particularly glad to hear that you're finding worthwhile material. I too really enjoy the Q & A design duplication presentation and have been evolving it considerably for some time now. It seems to me that it just seems more "intuitive" and "psychic" and is much more theatrical for current audiences. Anyway, thanks for your feedback.
Sorry to read of your DVD difficulties, overflow. Of course, we'll arrange for you to get another one sent out by airmail. Please drop me a PM with your address and we'll take care of it. Perhaps the DVD-Rs that we burn are misbehaving, although we do try to check every one before they ship. Yours must have snuck by when I was sipping a single malt or something. My apologies.
Let us know how you make out with the material in performance yourselves...
Warm regards,
James
James Biss
Creator of
MESSING WITH MINDS (Out of Print)
THE IMPRESSIONABLE MIND BOARD
ESP MIND SET
REMOTE CONTROL PACKS
...and my recent book MIND BLOWING
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MagicDog

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Posted: Dec 14, 2008 12:50pm
The taking picture effect found its way in to my act a few months ago, after viewing it on the DVD. It plays very well, great thinking on his part.
I had trouble with the DVD as well, but they replaced it.
John
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Reuben Dunn

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Posted: Dec 15, 2008 10:14pm
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On 2008-12-14 11:44, JamesBiss wrote:
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Ever since you allowed those Ooompa Loopas to unionize James, it's been down hill all the way!
{;-)
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JamesBiss

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Posted: Dec 15, 2008 11:20pm
Ah yes...the Oompa Loompas...Can't live with'em, can't live without'em.
James Biss
Creator of
MESSING WITH MINDS (Out of Print)
THE IMPRESSIONABLE MIND BOARD
ESP MIND SET
REMOTE CONTROL PACKS
...and my recent book MIND BLOWING
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Mentalist Sam

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Posted: Dec 16, 2008 2:09pm
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I too really enjoy the Q & A design duplication presentation and have been evolving it considerably for some time now. It seems to me that it just seems more "intuitive" and "psychic" and is much more theatrical for current audiences.
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I just got the book & DVD yesterday and have to say that I am shocked (disappointed) by what I've seen/read so far.
James, I don't know who you have seen do Q&A, but I cannot think of a time I have read a more backwards opinion of Q&A. Calling "Taking Pictures" some sort of Q&A routine is really an exaggeration of what it is. To me it looks like a long drawing duplication. In your book you write this:
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I can honestly say that there are only one or two performers around today who can really work information - peeked right from under audience's noses - into entertaining Mentalism.
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Is that a joke? If not, you need to get out more because people find Q&A absolutely fascinating and entertaining.
Here's a partial list of top names who do have entertaining Q&A routines:
Richard Osterlind
Banachek
Docc Hilford
Cicardi
Stuart Cumberland
Craig Karges
Tim Conovor
So those are just the top names in the business.
I'm not saying that I am the most talented guy out there, but Q&A is absolutely a feature in my show and something that is requested by my clients for repeat shows.
Your take on your routine is that it's "more engaging to everyone in the audience." Your routine has the same pitfalls as a traditional Q&A. With a traditional Q&A routine the entire audience IS engaged because no one knows who is going to be next. Some Q&A does deal with billets - a term you find objectionable for some reason - and others do not. Yours does and in my opinion, there is some suspicious handling of them. But the fact is no one knows who is going to have their thoughts read next.
Unfortunately Q&A has become a generic term for two different presentations. You have a traditional Q&A in which the audience writes down questions and the performer not only divines the questions, but gives an answer. This takes talent and experience to perform effectively.
The other part of this is thought reading - having people write down dates, names, etc important to them and the performer revealing those thoughts in an entertaining and engaging way.
Pure Q&A is powerful. I do Q&A at every show and people can be emotionally affected by the performance. Derren Brown has been touring with a Q&A show and it will be his next TV special. Hardly "anachronistic", as you wrote in your book.
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Stuart Cumberland

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Posted: Dec 16, 2008 6:57pm
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I can honestly say that there are only one or two performers around today who can really work information - peeked right from under audience's noses - into entertaining Mentalism.
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Is that a joke? If not, you need to get out more because people find Q&A absolutely fascinating and entertaining.
Here's a partial list of top names who do have entertaining Q&A routines:
Richard Osterlind
Banachek
Docc Hilford
Cicardi
Stuart Cumberland
Craig Karges
Tim Conovor
So those are just the top names in the business.
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A friend alerted me to this post...
First, thanks for adding me to such an illustrious list!
The folks on the above mentioned list are full-time performers. Which probably explains a lot.
I have not read Mr. Biss's book, so I can't comment on anything in his book/dvd.
That said, the loudest criticism of Q&A almost always originates from those who don't perform it. Most full-time performers know better. Without question, almost every great mentalist performs a Q&A segment in their act. Some are longer, some are shorter. But without fail, most do.
Why?
Because it's powerful.
Take it from a full-time performer that does shows in high schools. Which is a decidedly different view than, say, a high school teacher who performs mentalism part-time.
Again, thanks for adding me. I must say, I agree with your comments.
SC
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PsiDroid

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Posted: Dec 16, 2008 7:40pm
Don't leave out Jerome Finley.
I'm waiting for his Q&A book, but I know will be very, very, very, good
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Mentalist Sam

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 10:06am
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On 2008-12-16 18:57, Stuart Cumberland wrote:
... the loudest criticism of Q&A almost always originates from those who don't perform it. Most full-time performers know better. Without question, almost every great mentalist performs a Q&A segment in their act. Some are longer, some are shorter. But without fail, most do. |
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Thanks for jumping in Stuart. I agree with what you say about Q&A criticism. I was like that for a long time. I was "forced" to do Q&A because of an important booking. The client requested it and the show was sold on that one routine. I was cursing it up until the day I had to do it for the first time and figured I'll do it this one time and that will be it. Well you could have knocked me over with a feather because this one show changed my act forever. As inexperienced as I was with it, the routine killed.
What James Biss has done is create excuses as he is either afraid to do a real Q&A routine or he has tried it and it didn't go over as he had hoped. No doubt, it's a scary thing to do the first couple of times, but it's as relevant today as it was 100 years ago.
Last night my wife & I watched James' DVD. I guess he was trying to be "edgy" with his humor, but it came off as creepy. My wife walked out because she was offended. My opinion of his performance was he took mentalism down several notches to the point of a hokey magic show.
In his Fabulous Monster DVD, Max Maven talked about why he doesn't use the term magic or magician to describe what he does. He stated "...magicians have taken something that had tremendous power and in 100 years have managed to trivialize it."
In my opinion, that is what James Biss does with mentalism. I think that if James wants to present an act where "we're all mental", that's fine, but his constant commentary in print and on the DVD puts down other mentalists.
I don't know if James got bored with mentalism but something I think some guys lose sight of is the fact that mentalists display enviable abilities. Magicians, for the most part do not. If "we're all mental" and anyone can do this, then what I am there for? Well, I am there because not everyone can do this and it's not my job to show off, but rather my job to present an entertaining show showing you what is possible with my ability (whatever that special ability is for you).
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Take it from a full-time performer that does shows in high schools. Which is a decidedly different view than, say, a high school teacher who performs mentalism part-time.
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Personally I have nothing against part-time performers and full-time high school teachers, after all Jheff is a high school teacher and from what I hear, a very talented performer.
If anyone has been thinking of getting this, I'll sell you mine because I don't want it near my other books.
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Stuart Cumberland

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 12:22pm
Mentalist Sam: thanks for the comments.
For the record, I wasn't slighting Jheff in any way. I've seen video of Jheff perform, know people who have seen him whose opinion I trust. By all accounts, he's an excellent performer. I'd put money on Jheff.
And for further clarity: I'm not slighting part-time performers, amateurs or anyone else.
What I AM saying is be cautious of whom you listen to. There are many selling products to magicians who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. It's that simple.
SC
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BlakeAdams

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 3:59pm
I just got done reading James Biss's Messing With Minds book and I loved it. I'm looking forward to his new one, which should arrive any day.
I don't know about his new book, but I loved James' style with mentalism. He wants his audience to interact with what he does on stage, and a lot of the times makes his audience the star of the show. That's great.
My favorite routine in his old book is taking the classic psychometery routine, and changed it to guess what color underwear you have on. It wasn't even close to being dirty and was very funny. I loved it.
So, I do agree his style is different, but Sam, you shouldn't diss him for being different. Just because hes not Max Maven enough for you doesn't make him bad. You don't have to be dark, and creep, and all serious, to present mentalism. Another one of my favorite performers is John Archer. He's hilarious, and mixes magic with mentalism which might scare you away Sam. Also Q and A is a great routine, but you do need a lot of b-lls to perform it. Therefore, it's not for everyone.
Again I have not read his new book yet, and my thoughts are based on James' old book.
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MichielTummers

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 4:13pm
The only problem with that psychometry routine is that it totally rapes the strongest part of Anneman's pseudo psychometry. The effect isn't about to find out which one is which, but to give a intense and powerful reading that people will remember! I've checked many Psychometry routines(Osterlind, Stuart Cumberland), and they killed. Lee Earle even goes as far as to totally do it without envelopes. Just take an object and give a reading! Nice routine (in Messing With Minds), but it totally rapes what makes pseudo psychometry very strong... the reading. It's a nice effect overall, so no word about that. I liked the book anyway, and this one will be on top of my wish list.
Btw, the same with Q&A. It isn't about guessing things, but about reaching emotions through readings, and of course, the anticipation.
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Mentalist Sam

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 5:29pm
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... He wants his audience to interact with what he does on stage, and a lot of the times makes his audience the star of the show. That's great.
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Yes - that's what most great mentalists do. James isn't the only one doing this. This is one of the key differences between magic and mentalism. With most magicians, it's all about "look at what I can do". Mentalism isn't about the effect, but rather the affect on the audience and your interaction with them.
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So, I do agree his style is different, but Sam, you shouldn't diss him for being different. Just because hes not Max Maven enough for you doesn't make him bad. You don't have to be dark, and creep, and all serious, to present mentalism. Another one of my favorite performers is John Archer. He's hilarious, and mixes magic with mentalism which might scare you away Sam.
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Truly, my biggest complaint with James Biss is his, as you say, "dissing" of mentalists, and his backward thinking of Q&A. It's one thing to say, "hey, this Q&A thing works great for some guys, but it's just not my thing, which is what I came up with X." But he doesn't do that, and I've quoted what he said straight from the book in my post above. John Archer is funny, because John Archer is funny. John can stand up there with anything and be funny. But who is funny, and not funny, is subjective. I personally didn't care for the James' suggestive humor, and sexual innuendos. Maybe if I was drunk or 14 years old I would.
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Also Q and A is a great routine but you do need a lot of b-lls to perform it. Therefore it's not for everyone.
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It takes experience. It takes experience away from magic and mentalism. It takes living life. Once you've done some of that, it takes study to learn technique to find methods you're comfortable with. After that, it take a bit of courage to do it for the first time or two. Then you're off and running. Personally I wish most mentalists wouldn't do it, so I would have it all to myself.
Finally - Michiel Tummers gets it. He understands. Q&A, pseudo-psychometry, Sneak Thief, center tears, peek wallets, etc. - it's not about the trick, it's about what you give back to the spectator in the revelation of the information.
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MichielTummers

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 5:32pm
Thanks for the compliment sam I appreciate it. I never got why all the variations with finding the right drawings etc where there to substitute anneman's version. Or the performers who just return the ring without a reading. I read anneman's book like 15 times and always considered the reading the strongest point in the routine(altough he leaves that open to interpretatioN). Without the reading the effect is just a puzzle. With the reading its an experience. The same for Q&Â. In fact I consider those 2 the finest mentalism effect I ever layed hands on,. theyre just pure brilliant.
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Stuart Cumberland

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 5:50pm
It's great seeing some sanity here. Refreshing to see people post who "get it".
For the record, Richard Webster simply asks his audience to hand him objects... and simply gives a 2-3 minute readings for those that want them.
Frankly, "guessing" which items belongs to which person is basic magic at it's best. Hardly entertainment, to say the least.
Doing dirty, risque material is simply tasteless.
As Milton Berle once pointed out, anyone can tell a dirty joke or use a swear word and get a laugh. But they're cheap laughs.
I can just imagine an agent booking that kind of act: "Oh yes, he embarrasses volunteers and does tricks with underwear and other rude material. He'll be perfect for your holiday party."
Nice.
I dunno. I think bookers want to hire acts that are clean and do classy material. In my experience, it's proven to be true.
SC
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MichielTummers

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 5:52pm
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It's great seeing some sanity here. Refreshing to see people post who "get it".
For the record, Richard Webster simply asks his audience to hand him objects... and simply gives a 2-3 minute readings for those that want them.
Frankly, "guessing" which items belongs to which person is basic magic at it's best. Hardly entertainment, to say the least.
Doing dirty, risque material is simply tasteless.
As Milton Berle once pointed out, anyone can tell a dirty joke or use a swear word and get a laugh. But they're cheap laughs.
I can just imagine an agent booking that kind of act: "Oh yes, he embarrasses volunteers and does tricks with underwear and other rude material. He'll be perfect for your holiday party."
Nice.
I dunno. I think bookers want to hire acts that are clean and do classy material. In my experience, it's proven to be true.
SC
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I soooo agree with you Stuart 
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nimrod

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 6:25pm
The underwear psychometry routine is a good example of how to take a killer effect and kill it completely. I've seen Biss doing it live; It wasn't mentalism and it wasn't even funny. I was sorry for him for not understanding mentalism or maybe forgetting what mentalism is all about. It's about making people believe. Nothing more, nothing less.
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johncesta

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 6:32pm
Lighten up. It's all entertainment.
J
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tboehnlein

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 6:35pm
The Biss underwear routine is a different spin on a psychometry routine, it works as an entertaining routine as strange as it may sound adding a reading to it is not unusual, it can be entertaining & enlightening for the audience even with it being underwear. The comment is made several times about some people getting it, getting it is understanding you are being paid to entertain, rather that be providing readings through a Q&A or an entertaining process of determining individuals undergarments it is to each his own & to what the client requests. By the way MS why did you sell the client on Q& A if you didn't do it or was this a booking agents blunder.
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Mentalist Sam

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 6:51pm
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By the way MS why did you sell the client on Q& A if you didn't do it or was this a booking agents blunder.
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My initial Q&A performance was the result of another mentalist getting me a gig, so it was through a referral. When I mention Q&A I am talking about it literally - divining the question and answering it. Previous to doing that, I had been doing thought reading, just feeding back important dates, names, etc., so I wasn't a complete novice. The idea of answering the questions is what held me back previously.
BTW, I'm not a kid in this business. I'm almost 50 and have been doing this professionally for over 25 years. My Q&A "debut" was over a decade ago and since that show I have never gone back.
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RSD

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 7:22pm
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On 2008-12-17 18:35, tboehnlein wrote:
... getting it is understanding you are being paid to entertain, rather that be providing readings through a Q&A or an entertaining process of determining individuals undergarments it is to each his own & to what the client requests. |
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Bingo. Once again, to many entertainers getting wrapped up in how things are done, the history, or how they are presented. The goal is to entertain. I have seen soooo many mentalists and frankly I'm tired of watching the same old mentalism routine. The same thing done over and over and over and over again. No personality, with the same old one-liners thrown in here and there, that the performers qualifies as humour. That being said...I'm sure many appreciate the old fashioned way of presenting mentalism. The mysterious man who stands up there divining peoples thoughts for apparent no rhyme or reason. But that's not for me, and that's not what the next generation of audiences wants. Now here comes James, presenting these same old routines with brand new modern twists, and yes even edgy stuff. I literally laugh out loud, when I read that people get offended watching James, and even someone's wife walked out of the TV room when he was on. Give me a freakin' break. What kind of world are you living in? Are the only forms of comedy that entertain you Disney movies? Hate to tell ya...all comedy shows on TV or movies are sexually suggestive. Move out of your shell, and don't be such a prude. Bad bad James. Tish tish, shame on you for talking about the colour of people's underwear. "The devil's in that one that I tell ya!"
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[As Milton Berle once pointed out, anyone can tell a dirty joke or use a swear word and get a laugh. But they're cheap laughs.
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Right. And I'm sure a guy that was born in 1908 and died in 2002 is really in touch with today's audience.
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Domino Magic

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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 8:45pm
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On 2008-12-17 19:22, RSD wrote:
Bingo. Once again, to many entertainers getting wrapped up in how things are done, the history, or how they are presented. The goal is to entertain. I have seen soooooooo many mentalists and frankly I'm tired of watching the same old mentalism routine. The same thing done over and over and over and over again. No personality, with the same old one-liners thrown in here and there, that the performers qualifies as humour. That being said...I'm sure many appreciate the old fashioned way of presenting mentalism. The mysterious man who stands up there divining peoples thoughts for apparent no rhyme or reason. But that's not for me, and that's not what the next generation of audiences wants. Now here comes James, presenting these same old routines with brand new modern twists, and yes even edgey stuff. I litterally laugh out loud, when I read that people get offended watching James, and even someone's wife walked out of the TV room when he was on. GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK. What kind of world are you living in? Are the only forms of comedy that entertain you Disney movies? Hate to tell ya...all comedy shows on TV or movies are sexually suggestive. Move out of your shell, and don't be such a prude. Bad bad James. Tish tish, shame on you for talking about the colour of people's underware. "The devil's in that one that I tell ya!"
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Well, it's obvious where you stand!
As a corporate entertainer I make sure my material is not offensive to anyone. Doing a live show my audience cannot change the channel to a program that would be less offensive.
I have spent time in the corporate world, in management, and know the rules about any sort of innuendo. You just don't know who is in your audience and what is going to offend them. If I was talking to other pros, I would be preaching to the choir. Some on this thread understand where I'm coming from. I cannot afford to offend one client.
Class and good taste never go out of style.
The guys who are bashing the tried and true methods and presentations seem to be the ones who are hung up on the effects. Doing a psychometry routine with underwear isn't entertaining just because you are using underwear as a theme. And just because you stick with the tried & true Annemann path doesn't make that routine anymore entertaining. It's been said several times in this thread, but some of you don't see it - it's the performer. It's how the performer feeds back the information, whether it's classic or underwear.
Derren Brown is standing on stage, by himself divining questions and answering them. He's in a tail coat, doing it "old school". It's relevant for today's audiences. Why? Because Derren makes it that way.
I haven't seen James' new book or DVD and nor will I. After Messing With Minds, I knew the material wasn't for me. It was interesting to see how many people defend him even after all the accusations of using material without permission. To each his own. I don't know of any full-time pros endorsing Biss material. All you guys who love it, great, go for it. Nothing better than seeing a bunch of James Biss clones. The rest of us will stick with material that is proven and collect our big checks with our repeat clients.
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tboehnlein

Inner circle
ohio
1195 Posts
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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 9:05pm
It is curious how free wheeling folks are on the internet, quick to accuse & to pass judgement, I do not believe I have ever stressed originality or effect when speaking of Biss's material, I have stated that I thought his spins of standard effects & methods are interesting & worth studying & applying. I truely believe little of what is posted would ever actually be stated to many in a face to face conversation.To accuse one of using material without permission is hilarious to me, show me something that has been printed in the past 10 years and chances are pretty good that I can find a duplicate effect or method printed in annemann, corinda, magick or waters MM&M along with a gathering of other material. It is always easy to sling mud when posting under an alias.
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Domino Magic

Special user
640 Posts
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Posted: Dec 17, 2008 10:20pm
Accusations of James Biss' "tactics" go back a lot further than my last post. You can check out this 15 page thread about his IMB:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=137910&forum=15&start=0
There are some very well respected names who hold the same view of James Biss that I do. But I'm sure you think they're all wrong.
Personally I think Biss loves the controversy. Hey, it sells product, so why not.
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