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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
I think its obvious that he realizes hypnosis is safe. But it was you, Mr. Doyle, who did bring up a scenario almost just as likely to happen in a Murphy's Law sort of way.
While I think that is legitimate I still maintain that we should place a higher value on what we do and how we do it. I have seen posts around here that talk about how show fee were much greater "way back in the day," than they are now. Any chance that this type of promotion - actually teaching others online or elsewhere for free - is a cause of that? I'll work year round because my show is good and I am reasonable rate-wise. Doesn't much matter to me. Although I do see much more benefit coming from having what we do and how we do it much harder, or certainly more expensive, to learn. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have always worked year round. Nobody elses fee decides what my fee is. I don't see the correlation no.
You mean if everyone else charges more then you can charge more? I never let anyone else dictate anything I do in any way. Really. I mean my fee is my fee and if people can pay it fine. My relationship with those I work for/with is simply more important than the fee I charge. I have clients who will book nobody else. This in no way means I am the best at anything or that someone else is not qualified to do what I do. It simply means my clients are not hooked on my show because of the price point I have chosen. The internet/DVD technology is here to stay. No way to turn back the ocean with a broom. It will be and it is. No biggie sounds like you will be fine anyhow.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2008-12-22 22:30, dehypno wrote: 25 years experience. I also worked in direct sales in my youth. The same suggestable people who buy encyclopedias expensive vacuum cleaners and basically anything they don't need on the command of a half decent salesman are always a stage hypnotist's dream. "creative genius" yeah well I suppose if you make your living on stage you have to justify and give reasons for volunteerng. lets face it if we were to indicate what I said no one would volunteer. Amost without exception in every stage show I've witnessed - the main star was an extrovert who would normally show off and clown about anyway. They did not come across as highly intellegent etc. Yes they are worthy of compliments and praise - they pay your bills after all. People who do not have a strong analytical ability also believe in psychics, ufo's and santa clause. Its total Bs to say otherwise. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
>>I'll work year round because my show is good and I am reasonable rate-wise. Doesn't much matter to me. Although I do see much more benefit coming from having what we do and how we do it much harder, or certainly more expensive, to learn.<<<
You work all year round because the market is boyant. If the market changes then so will your working patterns. |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
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On 2008-12-24 16:24, mindpunisher wrote: Noooooooo, Ill work year round because my show is good and I am reasonable rate-wise. I will add that I have an excellent person to deal with the business and marketing end which helps push through times that others think are difficult. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Come over here and work all year round. I would love to see that..
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Certainly half the battle to working year round is going to where the work is, as opposed to simply complaining there is no work right?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
I have a off-beat question. Let's say I decide to do "Group Inductions", and I have 2 years experience as a Hypnotist, and my show is like a hour, how much do I charge? $500.00, $1,000.00, $1,250.00? I would have to get 12 chairs mine WOULD have arm bars, a head mic, I like those much better and a hand mic for the members and a Music player with stuff all cued up. What is reasonable? Should I call Hypnotist in my area pretending I need a High School show done, and ask for rates? That's what I did doing Magic to get rates as far as charging for shows, which in my area a hour Magic Show is about $250.00 a hour for a Birthday Party. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Why would anyone want a "group induction" without a show or some purpose? Don't think you can charge anything for that. As for a show, I would not recommend lying to others to gain your info, or you will create emnemies. It is always better to just be upfront, or check gigmasters. Personally, I never compete on price anyway. Always on service and results. SO I really could care less what others charge.
Dr. Richard Nongard, Professional Hypnosis Training
Learn how to master the art of SpeedTrance, Clinical and Stage Hypnosis |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
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On 2008-12-24 19:49, mindpunisher wrote: Well the people in your country still think hypnosis is voodoo. You still live in the 17th century there. Why, since I work year round here, would I want to throw that away for nothing and gas that is 10 bucks a gallon...or 7 pounds a litre or whatever that silly system is? |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
"Amost without exception in every stage show I've witnessed - the main star was an extrovert who would normally show off and clown about anyway. They did not come across as highly intellegent etc.
Yes they are worthy of compliments and praise - they pay your bills after all. People who do not have a strong analytical ability also believe in psychics, ufo's and santa clause. Its total Bs to say otherwise." Your lack of ability to spell intelligence leaves you unqualified to judge who has it, or not. And I would imagine that if you actually had "25 years" of experience there are reasons that they are in your past...most likely because you were not good enough or because your own lack of belief could never lead to an environment conducive to a high success rate of induction in your own clients. And I think its time to change your name... to CommonSensePunisher |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
Richard, years ago I was wanting to know how much to charge for parties as they said I was under charging and to get rates and that was one way to do it. I've never heard of a gigmaster. I was curious in case someone ever called me to do a formal gig is why. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2008-12-26 08:43, dehypno wrote: I guess really you must be right. The US is obviously a different planet where writers musicians and intellectual creative heavyweights all volunteer for hypnosis shows. I guess I must admit my inferiority. And I was wrong stage hypnosis is a high class form of entertainment. Then again perhaps it is in the US. Picking up speeling mistakes on a forum really is the last resort in trying to reply to a post and sound "creative" "classy" and clever. I hope your shows show more ingenuity than that. And yes come over here and lets see how you go down? I would love to see that. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why go to a place where the market has died? What measure of a show is that?
Can't you manage to figure out that different cultures have different preferences? Or do you simply speak for the entire planet? Look how popular soccar is in the UK as opposed to the US. Hockey in Canada and so forth. Chalk it up to you MAY know about England, the jury is still out. But you have no clue what you are talking about with America. None is better or worse simply different.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
""""I guess really you must be right. The US is obviously a different planet where writers musicians and intellectual creative heavyweights all volunteer for hypnosis shows.
I guess I must admit my inferiority. And I was wrong stage hypnosis is a high class form of entertainment. Then again perhaps it is in the US. Picking up speeling mistakes on a forum really is the last resort in trying to reply to a post and sound "creative" "classy" and clever. I hope your shows show more ingenuity than that. And yes come over here and lets see how you go down? I would love to see that."""" Why in God's name would I go over there, dude? Its clearly a dull festival on a daily basis. You like "football" (our soccer of course) which is the most boring sport on the planet, your women are dogs, and clearly hypnosis is treated like witchcraft there. How many hypnotists have your fellow heathens burned at the stake? But at least you have admitted your inferiority. It does take a big man to do that, especially after yet another "speeling" error. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Hey dehypno take a minute to think huh? Or get an adult to check out your posts before submission.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I don't think we are backwards as far as hypnosis is concerned. I think we are ahead of you. Give it another five years and you will see similar "cases" appear in your market.
We don't treat hypnotists like witches. We have enough respect to protect our public from dangerous irresponsable practitioners. As a public we got fed up of over exposed bad shows. >>>>Why go to a place where the market has died? What measure of a show is that? <<< I agree with you Danny I was making the point that we work in any field due to market forces which ALWAYS PEAK AND TROUGH AND FLUCTUATE As it will also in the states too. Dehypno - as a "big man" that admits my inferiority - why don't you admit your either lack of understanding of the mechanics of a stage show or your denial that your show just might not be as classy as you would like to believe. Suggestions about intelligence, creativity and also not being able to make someone do something they wouldn't want to do - are suggestions simply designed to remove resistance for taking part. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I would submit that there have in the past and in the presant a large portion of stage shows, hypnosis and otherwise, I would classify as Class with a capital "A".
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
"""Dehypno - as a "big man" that admits my inferiority - why don't you admit your either lack of understanding of the mechanics of a stage show or your denial that your show just might not be as classy as you would like to believe.
Suggestions about intelligence, creativity and also not being able to make someone do something they wouldn't want to do - are suggestions simply designed to remove resistance for taking part.""" Why would I admit that I have a lack of understanding of the mechanics of a stage show, when I do understand them? And I am pretty sure that I never said that my shows are "classy" but rather that they are not "classless." Its comedy. Hypnosis is all about suggestions. I, as many others do I am sure, praise an audience for their creative minds and any intelligence. And of course I want to remove resistance....why would I want to create resistance? That doesn't make any sense. When I have private clients I do the same thing...praise, reassure, suggest. That's what is all about. And Bobser...if someone is going to attack my comments about anything, they can expect the same in return. If ya don't like it, read the next comment and keep yours to youself so I don't have to address you directly, as is my tendency to do. I am here to share and learn. But I do enjoy insulting banter as well, so....you can pick which of those you would like to deal with and we can move on from there. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The difference in "classy" and "not classless"! Yes. Now we are onto something. At least we can all talk the same language. Seriously.
Nobody is saying it is Ballet. But then again it is not one of those shows where a bowel movement on stage thrown into the audience passes for the nights entertainment. Nowhere near either.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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