On 2009-02-05 15:06, Caliban wrote:
Jim

I'm finding it hard to see the relevance of all this patent talk. Surely you're not claiming that it would be okay to rip off the Quantum Bender if John can't prove he has a patent pending? Magic is a small cottage industry where very few products are protected by patents. Instead, the magic world has a well established rule that ethical dealers do not rip off the products of others. So whether or not John Sheet's patent pending actually exists makes absolutely no difference one way or another.

And lets be honest, anyone who is well connected in magic can easily find out what a Quantum Bender is and how it works. If you didn't know already you would have easily been able to find out by ringing round a few contacts. So we can safely assume that you already know exactly what John's gimmick is, and that yours is different or you wouldn't be putting it out.

Coinvexed 2 is likely to cause some controversy: Some people will argue that because the Quantum Bender is an established coin bender disguised as a Sharpie, it's a rip off for another dealer to release their own coin bender disguised as a Sharpie, even if the methods are different. Other people will argue that, as the method is completely different there's no problem. There's no definite right or wrong on that one - it's just going to come down personal opinions.

To me, this appears to be a bit of a distraction tactic. You know that you're in a bit of an ethical grey area in releasing a coin bender disguised as a Sharpie when one is already on the market, and you know that some people (especially those with a competing product) might criticize you for it ... but if you can lead people to accuse you of ripping off the Quantum Bender before it's released and have those people proved wrong when yours turns out to be a completely different method ... then you appear to have won the argument and it steers people away from the real question, which is whether it's ethical for another dealer to market a Sharpie coin bending gimmick at all.

Or something like that.

I'm not suggesting that it IS unethical for someone else to release a different Sharpie coin bending gimmick - you could make a valid case for either side of the argument - but that debate is the real issue. All this talk of patents just comes across as misdirection.

On 2009-02-05 17:41, Jaz2005 wrote:
Wait for the release then post your apology.
Best regards
Jim

On 2009-02-05 19:20, Caliban wrote:

My comments were based purely on the fact that your gimmick is a Sharpie coin bender - and my source for that information was your own promotional posts.

I was the first to post in your defence when you were wrongly accused of misleading advertising over the David Blaine claim on Hank Lee's site.

On 2009-02-05 18:02, lunatik wrote:
I look forward to its release! will it be out this month or possibly March?

On 2009-02-05 20:00, Jaz2005 wrote:
Item #1 in the quote above where, in any promotional posts have we or I or anyone associated with this product claimed that our gimmick is a Sharpie Coin Bender as claimed by you?.

On 2009-02-06 03:42, Caliban wrote:
Hi Jim

I was going from the Al Straker post that you quoted earlier in this thread.

On 2009-01-21 22:11, Al Straker wrote:
Yes it is a Sharpie gimmick ...

I do accept, though, that there would be a big difference between a single piece gimmick that's built into a Sharpie - and a gimmick that merely involves a Sharpie or has a Sharpie as part of it.

On 2009-02-07 13:32, Andi Peters wrote:
I've just looked and the upgrade kit is £45......WOW!!!!!! That's a heck of a price for an upgrade. What do they do, gold plate the thing??????

On 2009-02-07 13:32, Andi Peters wrote:
I've just looked and the upgrade kit is £45......WOW!!!!!! That's a heck of a price for an upgrade. What do they do, gold plate the thing??????

On 2009-02-08 14:46, misterian wrote:

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On 2009-02-07 13:32, Andi Peters wrote: I've just looked and the upgrade kit is £45......WOW!!!!!! That's a heck of a price for an upgrade. What do they do, gold plate the thing??????

As the owner of 2 of Coinvexed, I say "Thank You!" for the upgrade discount. How great to be able to get some credit for being a supporter of the original effect. Appreciated here at the upgrade price! Jim

On 2009-02-08 22:40, tpax wrote:
They both are brilliant designs and asking which is better would be asking which Playmate is prettier....

I never liked the idea of having 2 coins signed to just bend one of them as that is pointless. Is this flaw removed?

On 2009-02-09 12:11, borjuist wrote:
Hi, coinvexed 2 can used with 1 coin ????


Best,

Rick..

On 2009-02-09 12:41, bond19 wrote:
So, do you need to purchase coinvexed 1 in order to use coinvexed 2??

On 2009-02-09 12:41, bond19 wrote:
So, do you need to purchase coinvexed 1 in order to use coinvexed 2??