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korneille
New user
québec/canada
44 Posts
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Posted: Mar 19, 2002 10:45am
Any idea were I can find a book that teaches
this move thanks 
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Burt Yaroch
Inner circle
Dallas,TX
1097 Posts
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Posted: Mar 19, 2002 11:00am
I imagine this would be difficult to learn from a book but it is on the Jeff McBride Card Manipulation Video series. Jeff says his version is different than the original because he misread it.
Yakworld.
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martinkaplan
Special user
Los Angeles
549 Posts
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Posted: Mar 19, 2002 11:08am
I believe there is a description in Daryl's Confessions of a Puerto Rican Gambler.
-Marty
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p.b.jones
Inner circle
Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K.
2643 Posts
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Posted: Mar 19, 2002 11:34am
There is an explanation in "The book of John"
by John Mendoza.
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www.absolutely-unforgettable.co.uk
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Munskin
Loyal user
Blackpool, England
276 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2002 7:12pm
How does this differ from the Ravelli 'Pop-out' move as described in the Card College series?
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Burt Yaroch
Inner circle
Dallas,TX
1097 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2002 11:38pm
The Ravelli pop-out uses just a slight difference in handling to achieve nearly the same thing. It (the Ravelli) is also easier to perform but doesn't look quite as magical IMO. Also it doesn't require as much set up as the Piet-Forton move.
After all that I guess they're more different in method than I originally thought.
Yakworld.
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flourish dude
Inner circle
from ? But I know where I am going!
1195 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2002 5:42pm
Diamond Jim Taylor has a simple way of doing this on his video "pocket full of miracles" It uses a kelly bottom replacement.
I learned mine from the McBride and still use it today, BUT I might start using the easy way?
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magicfish
Inner circle
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Posted: Apr 6, 2008 12:24am
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On 2002-03-19 11:00, Burt Yaroch wrote:
I imagine this would be difficult to learn from a book but it is on the Jeff McBride Card Manipulation Video series. Jeff says his version is different than the original because he misread it.
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It is not difficult to learn from a book; nor is any card sleight or effect if your reading comprehension skills are where they need to be.
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Adam1975
Special user
UK
889 Posts
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Posted: Apr 6, 2008 2:39pm
I went to Piets house to ask him to show me the move but he`d popped out.Oh well 
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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doug brewer
V.I.P.
1101 Posts
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Posted: Apr 6, 2008 3:14pm
This is taught with proper credit from the originator (and with excellent photo illustrations) in Frank Simon's "Versatile Card Magic".
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Tim Sutton
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Tim Sutton AIMC, London UK
459 Posts
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Posted: Apr 6, 2008 3:16pm
You can find it on p219 of the complete 'Epilogue'. It is very knacky, and takes a while to get clean, but entirely worth the effort. In my opinion it's one of the most beautiful card revelations. I'd say that the dynamics behind the sleight are very different from those of the Ravelli move, although the effect is not dissimilar.
Tim
Tim Sutton AIMC
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JHNelson
Regular user
Portland, Oregon
120 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 4:12pm
I believe it is also taught in Jon Racherbaumer's "Card Finesse", provided you can track down a copy of the book.
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wcb39
Regular user
151 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 4:24pm
Yes, it is on P50. A great card book.
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JHNelson
Regular user
Portland, Oregon
120 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 5:04pm
There is also an alternate handeling on the move in a book called "Modeus Operandi". I forget the author. Again, provided you can find the book.
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bdekolta
Inner circle
Texas
1035 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 9:51pm
I learned in "The Gen" magazine. Wasn't hard at all to learn from text. The Frank Simon description is very good. The Mendoza description includes a couple of key points that ensure the move looks magical and "juggly". Piet's original description looks magical and has a great application of the move.
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imfletcher
Loyal user
234 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 10:13pm
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On 2008-04-07 17:04, JHNelson wrote:
There is also an alternate handeling on the move in a book called "Modeus Operandi". I forget the author. Again, provided you can find the book.
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Jack Carpenter is the author and it is an excellent book that contains Mr. Carpenter's take on some classic plots and some great gambling routines. He also explains his version of Steve Draun's midnight shift and the Elhers shift.
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wsduncan
Inner circle
Seattle, WA
3599 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 10:42pm
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On 2008-04-07 17:04, JHNelson wrote:
There is also an alternate handeling on the move in a book called "Modeus Operandi". I forget the author. Again, provided you can find the book.
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The author is Steve Hobbs. The magic, Jack Carpenter's and the publishers is Steve Minch of Hermetic Press. Jack's handing is entirely different in that the card appears face up but begins face down. There is not need to reverse the card before doing the move.
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bdekolta
Inner circle
Texas
1035 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 10:42pm
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That should have read "that ensure the move looks magical and NOT "juggly".
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zaki_rafih99
Regular user
164 Posts
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Posted: Apr 7, 2008 10:50pm
I don't know what the rules on posting websites is, but theres a new one by mike robinson and another guy jamie who teach sleights and tricks for cheap. I know mike personally, he usually attends the FFFF convention and works on holland america cruise lines... scary talent. PM me for more info, or let me know if I can post the link
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JHNelson
Regular user
Portland, Oregon
120 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2008 1:54pm
Thanks for naming the author. Credit where credit is due. I prefer Jack Carpenters handeling because it eliminates the reversed card. It makes it a better utility move for a card reveal.
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Adam1975
Special user
UK
889 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2008 3:45pm
Nobody liked my quip about Piet Forton popping out..........
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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JHNelson
Regular user
Portland, Oregon
120 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2008 4:21pm
If it makes you feel any better, I got a chuckle out of it. Co-workers wouldn't have gotten it, but it gave me a giggle.
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Adam1975
Special user
UK
889 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2008 5:02pm
JHNelson.........a man of fine taste in humour!
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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JHNelson
Regular user
Portland, Oregon
120 Posts
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Posted: Apr 8, 2008 7:11pm
You have a sense of humour after my own heart Adam. Nothing like dry wit to faciliate a healthy chuckle.
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Adam1975
Special user
UK
889 Posts
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Posted: Apr 9, 2008 11:31am
Off the topic...but any other card trick/move related quips out there.....there must be some folks!
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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adamc
Regular user
Sydney, Australia
133 Posts
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Posted: Apr 9, 2008 1:26pm
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On 2008-04-07 22:50, zaki_rafih99 wrote:
I don't know what the rules on posting websites is, but theres a new one by mike robinson and another guy jamie who teach sleights and tricks for cheap. I know mike personally, he usually attends the FFFF convention and works on holland america cruise lines... scary talent. PM me for more info, or let me know if I can post the link
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I think a link to this would be beneficial for people interested in other sources for this effect (like myself). Here's what I found:
Piet Forton's Pop Out Move
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kerpa
Special user
Michael Miller
593 Posts
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Posted: Apr 9, 2008 2:00pm
Has anyone downloaded this vid file (from fasttricks.com)? Was it any good? How would it compare to Daryl or Jeff McBride's explanation?
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name)
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bdekolta
Inner circle
Texas
1035 Posts
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Posted: Apr 9, 2008 4:23pm
Rant on permissions deleted.
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matt.magicman
Inner circle
Mars
1451 Posts
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Posted: Apr 28, 2008 7:45pm
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On 2002-03-24 23:38, Burt Yaroch wrote:
The Ravelli pop-out uses just a slight difference in handling to achieve nearly the same thing. It (the Ravelli) is also easier to perform but doesn't look quite as magical IMO. Also it doesn't require as much set up as the Piet-Forton move.
After all that I guess they're more different in method than I originally thought.
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hi
can this be used instead of the jk hartman pop out move?
and if so, is it easier!??
cheers
matt
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Kjellstrom
Inner circle
Sweden
4132 Posts
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Posted: Apr 29, 2008 5:06am
A message from Eddy Taytelbaum, Amsterdam, Holland:
"Dear Mats:
Thanks for you recent mail, There we go again!
In the article of the Magic Café concerning the Piet Forton´s popout move
nobody mentions that the inspirational source is Eddy Taytelbaum.
Look up Epilogue page 219 where Piet writes about my influence on the move.
This was the start of our friendship that still lasts to this day.
Although his move is far better then mine, he never fails to mention my influence. In an issue of the Magischewelt devoted to Pete he writes extensively about the history of the move. Thanks for sharing! Eddy"
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