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Epiphany Regular user New Orleans 187 Posts |
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On 2009-02-21 08:36, Dave Shepherd wrote: I've never recieved an email from anyone in the DC area regarding an interest in purchasing. |
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Dave Shepherd Regular user Washington, DC 116 Posts |
Epiphany, I don't have any idea what email address he was using or anything. I told him I had always gotten a prompt response from you.
If you don't mind, I'll give him the address with which I've communicated with you over the last couple months. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There are a lot of people who try to do metal spinning on old wood lathes or old metal lathes. It can be done, but you can also do metal sculpture with a sledgehammer. The right tools make a big difference.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Whatever anyone chooses to do, remember spinning pieces of metal are bad for the body... as a Sheet Metal worker (Not spinning though) I can attest to bad things happening relatively often.
None the less, I think that if you want to start something that interests you, do it. What's the worst that can happen? (Assuming you are careful and responsible... otherwise the worst is pretty bad). However, if you have a wood lathe, what about starting out making wood cups? still, be careful.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
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On 2009-02-21 17:31, Josh Riel wrote: My thoughts exactly |
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
As long as you're aware that TURNING wood and SPINNING metal are VERY different methods!
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
I would pay money to watch someone spin a wood platter into a cup.
You can turn a metal cup in a lathe out of a bar/block(Just like CNC... kind of). I worked at a machine shop where one of the guys did just that, coolest little stainless/brass wine goblets you ever saw. Wish I knew something about magic back then.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Jeff Dial Special user Kent, WA 533 Posts |
Watched them spin trumpets on the Discover Channel last night. Those guys are doing it day and and day out and make it look easy. I know it is only from hours and years on the machine.
"Think our brains must be too highly trained, Majikthise" HHGG
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
***You can turn a metal cup in a lathe out of a bar/block***
Absolutely right Josh! I can (and have) turn a VERY expensive bunch of tinder and a tooth pick out of a 3X3 inch hunk of Cocobolo. Never tried the plate to cup trick though! I saw that Trumpet show... FASCINATING! |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Those guys who make horns are fascinating. Imagine that in medieval times, they did all of that without any power tools, using mallets and mandrels.
They had to plan carefully exactly how they were going to strike the brass that was on the mandrel with the mallets... sort of Mallets aforethought.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Come on, Thomas. Admit it. You wish you had said it first.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Bill,
Thanks for making me spit coffee all over my keyboard.
"But there isn't a door"
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doublelift Veteran user 342 Posts |
The 4 DVD set on Metal Spinning I bought is very informative in many repects. He even has a section on lathe conversion and sells the tools and tool rests. The machine the instuctor uses is large and powerfull but VERY old. The machine just turns on center that all its about. The skilled person makes the work. The instuctor even teaches about body position while turning and tool making. Right now its too cold in my garage to even think about doing anything but research. I know better but the instuctor makes it look so easy but pros have a way of doing things after 30 years.... CNC Cups don't hold a interest to me, the old school items have more appeal.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
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On 2009-02-21 14:47, Thomas Wayne wrote: Thomas, can you explain in lay people's terms what differences a CNC lathe offers for gaffing coins? I suppose it will have ot be a bit detailed but this is exactly what I'd like to read about from an experienced magician in the field. Like one of the poster here I was involved in one of my lives with the supply chain management of Fairchild Fasteners (manufacturing aerospace fasteners, a business we sold to Alcoa) and had taken part in changing all of our machines for smaller German ones with shorter set up times for lean manufacturing reasons. I mention this to say that some of us could understand some technical explanations: I may not be able to cook like a French chef but it doesn't prevent me from being a gourmet showing a sincere interest in recipes.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Rüdiger Deutsch has been making his own reproductions of 19th and 20th century German magical apparatus. He has a special machine that in German is called a "metal press" or a "metal pressing lathe." It's basically a spinning lathe that has a special tool setup that uses a lever action tool to do the work.
He purchased a complete metal shop from a fellow who lived in his area who was retiring, learned how to use it, and now makes some of the most beautiful props I have ever seen.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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tabman Inner circle USA 5946 Posts |
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On 2009-04-19 16:02, Bill Palmer wrote: Now that sounds extra neat. I'd like to see that. -=tabman
...Your professional woodworking and "tender" loving care in the products you make, make the wait worthwhile. Thanks for all you do...
http://Sefalaljia.com |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There should be an article about it in an upcoming issue of Genii. I just submitted the translated files to Richard Kaufmann.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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tabman Inner circle USA 5946 Posts |
That's fantastic. I can't wait to read it.
-=tabman
...Your professional woodworking and "tender" loving care in the products you make, make the wait worthwhile. Thanks for all you do...
http://Sefalaljia.com |
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
I'll steal Tabman's issue as soon as he finishes it.
Bill I suspect that your German friend (could you PM his address and Phone number because I'm going a lot to Germany these days) does much more refined apparatuses than the ancient guys on their mandrel with their mallets. :) I'm still interested in being explained in lay people's words what is so different between wood turning and metal turning.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Etienne:
I don't have the info for Rüdiger Deutsch; however, I may be able to find it within the next day or so. When I do, I'll get it to you. Regarding the various lathe techniques: Generally speaking, turning involves the removal of material from a piece of wood, metal or some other material. Turning wood is usually done with a hand-held tool resting on a special support, called a tool rest. Turning metal is normally done with a very sharp steel or carbide tool that is held in a tool mounting block. CNC machining is a form of turning that is done with a computer controlled lathe. CNC means Computer Numeric Control. You can program a CNC lathe to duplicate almost any form you have in mind. But you need to write the program first. Spinning is a process in which thin metal is formed over a spinning block, using a set of tools that press it against the block while it is in motion. Metal pressing uses a lever-action set of spinning tools. Or at least, that's what I began to understand from this article. Posted: May 4, 2009 5:21pm I had a friend who was somewhat hard of hearing who paid $100 to go to a warehouse and get lathed.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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