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Does anybody know the plunger theory?

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Yup.
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Plunger principal or plunger theory?
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I'm sorry principle, I was at our magic meeting the other night and a friend of mine taught some card tricks using this principle.I had never heard of it before,which he could'nt believe.But anyways he taught us some some great effects.

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You might want to check out my Push-Through Change and Push-Through Poker in LORAYNE:THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, volume 1. I taught the concept back in 1962! Where in the world have you been?! Best - HARRY L.
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For those that care, the originator of the idea was Jack Macmillan who popularized the idea in the 40's with several applications. The first application in print that I know of is the Macmillan card rise in Greater Magic. He may have put it in magazines before that but I'm unaware of it.

During the WMS the subject came up in discussions with Roberto Giobbi and he said that Minch credited someone who's name escapes me for the moment. However, after discussing the dates of everyone involved, we came to the conclusion that Jack appears to be the originator.

I bring this up because I believe in crediting jack at every opportunity. His book never came out so the magic community in general doesn't realize how much he contributed to magic.

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Is it not in Expert Card Technique or is that something else? Its under or auto jogs if it is.
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In Dai Vernon's Further Inner Secrets of Card Magic (1961) there is an item called "Harry Lorraine's Change for Four Cards" (they spelled his name wrong) which is the Push Through Change from CUCM and Lorayne: Classic Collection I. Neither Vernon nor Ganson mentioned Macmillan in the text. Were they unaware of Macmillan's or was it much different.

Dave, did Macmillan originate the push through change of Harry Lorayne or something similar?

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On 2009-03-06 20:05, tommy wrote:
Is it not in Expert Card Technique or is that something else? Its under or auto jogs if it is.


Yeah, it's in there. Page 209 of the Dover edition. No mention of where they might have gotten it from, though.
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To my knowledge, it was never used as a CHANGE of four cards, or of any number of cards until I used it as such. It was always used, again to my knowledge, only as a card rise, or card "sink." You might want to do some research and find my lie detector routine - That's The Truth! Off-hand, I don't know where the heck I published it, if at all (I've written too much stuff!!)- for an unique use of the plunger principle. HL.
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"That's The Truth!" was, indeed, published. It's in Personal Collection, and it's a beauty.
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'J.M. RISING CARD' by Jack McMillen In September 1936 is famous for the first trick using Plunger Principle. However I rememmber the same trick appeared earlier in an isuue of Sphinx although I don't remember which issue.

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I checked my notes and collected tricks by Pulunger Principle.

'J.M. ising Card' by Jack McMillen in "Genii" (September 1936)
'The Fade-away Card' by ? in "Greater Magic" (1938)
'The Subway Trick' by Martin Gardner in "Hugard Magic Monthly" (January 1949)
'Plunge-Thru' by Harry Lorayne in "Close-Up Card Magic" (1962)
'Piston Card' by Hideo Kato in "Magic School" (1969)
'Plunger Discovery' by Howard Schwartzman & Ken Krenzel in "Super Subtle Miracles" (1973)
'Mental Mates' by Martin Gardner in "Self-Working Card Tricks" (1976)
'By-Rise' by Jerry Hartman in "Card Fare" (1980)
'Deep Plunge' by Dai Vernon in "Quaolity Magic Literature Winter 1989"
'Auto-Plunger Aces' by Gavin Ross in "Five Times Five Scotland" (1994)
'The Ulitimate Truth' by Peter Duffie in "Duffie's Card Compulsions" (1995)

As I am writing the history about this principle, I need your help. If you know other tricks by Plunger Principle, please post them with sources to check. Thanks in advance.

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'The five card fan' in Jean Hugard's "Card manipulations" pp.157-8. (1936)
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Hideo: Push-Through Change and Push-Through Poker: Close-Up Card Magic (1962) - re-written and up-dated in Lorayne: The Classic Collection, Volume 1 (2005).

That's The Truth! - Personal Collection (2001).
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Thanks uri-san and Lorayne-san.

Hideo Kato
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The effect by Dan and Dave Buck called Subway uses the plunger principle, it can be found in their Trilogy set
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On 2009-03-06 20:31, Andrew Musgrave wrote:
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On 2009-03-06 20:05, tommy wrote:
Is it not in Expert Card Technique or is that something else? Its under or auto jogs if it is.


Yeah, it's in there. Page 209 of the Dover edition. No mention of where they might have gotten it from, though.


Under One Hand Rising it says in ECT 1940


.....pushing the chosen card up in the familiar Jack McMillen plunger action.
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