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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Are you saying if a video of an effect people are interested in buying is available to watch... people should not do so and buy it on ad copy alone? Or perhaps only based on a magic critic's column? Otherwise, any mystery performer who does so is also to be abhorred?
Why is the video up? Was Dean unaware he was being filmed? I Dunno. I guess all those people in the video should be burnt in the hellfire too I guess... I suppose Dean asked it be removed? I dunno. Perhaps you are also disgusted with Dean for performing in public without taking into consideration the 21st century wold? How dare he!?!?.... Lastly, Brad,why do you talk for Dean Dill... did he ask you to do so? I doubt it. He's a professional, used to all this, and in the end, a good product will sell because it is good or great. If over time it is actually not good or overpriced... that will also come out. I have high respect for Dean and his creations... are you possibly insulting him by thinking he can't speak for himself? That he needs you to call myself and others disgusting because we wanted to understand some salient points? Although you think I am revealing things and trying to be clever... go read my posts carefully... I explained that I see an effect that I already do with other methods... and wanted to understand from my fellow magi their opinion if this is something worthwhile... eventually people stated this was a neat way to do the work... a streamlined effect etc... and is useful for others to read. I suppose those people who responded are just as evil and disgusting as little ol' me? Yeah, I am the Poster Boy of Stealing and Looking Clever in your world, Brad? I never called you anything except that you really seem to hurl insults and let your emotions control your typing... Oh as for having ideas stolen and picked apart - that has happened to me many a time... big effin deal. Welcome to the 21st century. I however, do not think I engaged in the level of pure greed and theft you have basically accused me of... I wanted to understand the big deal and price point for an effect I do already pretty easily... yet is getting rave rave rave commments... and then the video is posted and I go... WTF.... the presentation and handling.... the props... WTF? Someone explain the ravvvveeee... I see its nice and clean and so on... but guess what... it still requires a context, a prop and so on... and a handling... Dean in the vid holds the envelope not for just a second... but a lonnnng time... c'mon. Anyway, I thhe Bradley proclaimed Master of Evil and Greed.... ah...maybe I am possessde by Mammon... BEHOLD MY HELLFIRE....now retire into the shadows again to promote Magic Caférs to indulge in the 7 Deadly Sins... (Oh oh... will Bradley now state "I published the Satanic Book Test (before I became only a critic!).... lookee... Spektor is making mention of the Devil... clearly, he deconstructed my method and now is renamed it The MAMMON POST TEST... watch out... the scum will now go to Ellusionist and get it made into a $10 download!!! Oh the unjustice!!!).... OK... and now we turn it back to Brad... Aside: I am still going to get DD's Revelation as I said before... I will pay for it out of pure GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEED Viva Dean Dill! (This last line is serious) Can we get back to talking about the effect, presentations and so on?
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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jerdunn Inner circle 1734 Posts |
Well, Eddie Garland managed to talk about the effect in terms of presentation, but then the thread got derailed again.
Eddie G's idea is great -- thanks for sharing it with the Café. Cheers, Jerry |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Hey Brad,
It was never my need to see the video. Can you read? Just checkin'... I never requested a video.. but once it was posted, I looked. OMG! I LOOKED! AND THE EFFECT WAS SEEN! Did you ever see me post a request for a video? Did you not read my posts saying the video should be taken down? My only priority right now is enjoying answering your vitriol laden posts. Didn't I arleady tell you that you seem to write in anger? Do you think before you post? I would have thought as a critic, you'd actually take the time to read, understand and reflect on things... guess I was wrong. A SATIRIC PRESENTATION FOR PREDICTION: BH: First off, you all disgust me. Now turn of the cameras... and please close your eyes... in fact... just get out of here. TAKE 2 BH: Ok ok ok... you can look if you promise not to look at my hands during the presentation... TAKE 3 BH: OK, wait a second... TAKE 4 DD now has hand in BH's back to control actions.... BH: You all disgust me.... TAKE 5 BH tries again by himself BH: Please pay no attention to anything I do.... Spectator takes a picture on cell phone BH leaps over table, smashing spectator to floor and stepping on camera.... .... TAKE 678 BH: Please, let me read my amazing critique of this effect in a magic journal. Did I not mention I am a most respected critic for a magic journal? Yes! I can raise or destroy a magician on a mere scrap of words... I am great. What? Shuddup kid... you bother me.... TAKE 679 BH: Please, let me read my amazing critique of this effect in a magic journal. Did I not mention I am a most respected critic for a magic journal? Yes! I can raise or destroy a magician on a mere scrap of words... I am great. (Makes sure people who wanted to ask questions have all been gagged) "I BH, say Prediction is the greatest effect of its kind. I cannot explain the presentation or the effect... and I won't mention anything that gives away the method... because its that good. In fact, you just have to take it from me, BH, that it is a superb presentation, excellent effect, and the method is ingenious. Please go by my reputation. If any of you try to understand more than what I am telling you - you are pirates and scum. May you die 1000 deaths. The Great and Powerful BH has Spoken" --------- OK, A SERIOUS PRESENTATION FOR A PREDICTION-ESQUE EFFECT DS: Hi all! Here is a card in a paperclip... in a clear ziplock bag! Hold it, won't you, dear (Spectator).... DS: Now you, dear Specator 2... are you an arteeeest? No? We all are... I'll show you the power of CREATIVE IMAGINATION!!!! Can you draw? No? Let us try anyway... DS: Here is a nice pad of paper.... think of a famous painting.... Mona Lisa? Do you like that or want to change your mind.... the Scream? Cool... or another...? ok.... American Gothic??? WILD!!! Go ahead... DS uses the drawing for some fun and banter...... DS: Neato... rip that sucker out and keep it as a memento... now... would you believe I actually projected that thought and image into your mind? NAH DS: Let me prove it... please give me back the bag, dear Spec 1 Bl bla bal Take off paperclip and unfold card to show a picture of American Gothic. Wowsa!!!!! (And I do that already without DD's methods... but as I said, I'll see when I get it if it improves things).
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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rochaz Veteran user I'm TORN......... 378 Posts |
**I just spit chocolate chip cookie crumbs all over my keyboard**
Dr Spektor, You're my hero! :) Gonna get me a tall glass of ice cold milk...sit back and enjoy this some more! Rochaz
- We do not want them to suspend disbelief in the way they would in theater and story. We want them to think critically and observe carefully. Our job is to force them to believe in magic even against their better judgment.”
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bugjack Inner circle New York, New York 1624 Posts |
I'm all for keeping things on the DL these days. I think Paul Vigil's approach of charging a lot for HCE, being low key about his marketing, interviewing purchasers, and requiring an NDA to be signed is a good one. It respects his work, assures exclusivity for the purchasers, and for people like me, who won't be buying it, preserves a sense of mystery as to what the effect is and how it works.
All of that said, and not meaning to wade too far into the argument going on here, but it's simply naive in this day and age to allow cameras into your business to film something that looks like it was done for Japanese television and not think it might wind up on YouTube. Or, if you do allow it to be filmed, film it yourself and license the clip so you control the copyright and thus can issue a takedown notice. |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
Some people believe tiny changes make big differences when they don't. These people think laypeople wonder why the card was drawn or worry that the envelope was touched.
Some people can't see how tiny changes make huge differences when they do. These people often see only old ideas and not how they come together to produce a whole greater than the sum of its parts. And then there are people who see the differences but assure us they have thought of that before. Of course they tell us that after someone else has come up with those differences. The bottom line is more and more magic is being shared under the radar. When you see the supply of really great material drying up, pop back here and you will know why. I apologize for trying to encourage magicians to respect the creative work of those who choose to share. |
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aussiemagic Special user 937 Posts |
Brad you make out that you are on some noble mission, but the fact is, you show the exact same arrogance in almost all of your posts (the ones I have seen anyway), not just the ones in this thread. It is clear that you think that everyone who disagrees with you is totally wrong. I guess that is why you call yourself "truthteller" because evrything you say is the absolute truth. Is it because you wrote a positive review about this product that you are getting so hot under the collar about people having questions about this effect? It seems like the only real mission you are on is to defend your pride...
I feel sorry for people who have products reviewed by you in the future. Everyone who doesn't agree with your review 100 percent will be abused online... If you really want to contribute to this thread and to magic as a whole, why don't you try and be nice about it? You are not doing anyone any favors by being rude and arrogant.
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BIlly James Special user 991 Posts |
Will this work with Gozinta boxes instead of the envelope?
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