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So how were they shipped..US mail, UPS, etc?
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Huggie, thank you for taking the time to write up a review.

Hofzinser: Depending on your location the products are shipped via the following:

Canada - Shipped via Express Post - Approximately 1-5 business days
USA - Shipped via Expidited Post - Approximately 6-9 Business days
International - Shipped via Standard Air Mail - Approximately 7-14 Business days

Times are approximatations only and not guaranteed as there is not time guarantee on how quick the items will pass through the specific customs clearance of each country. Only business days are counted and exclude weekends and Canadian/Destination Holidays.

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On 2009-06-17 23:39, truthteller wrote:
Prediction: If they aren't ready in time for Magic LIVE we will not see them (delivered) until 2010.

Anybody else want to pick a date in the pool?

Brad Henderson


Not sure if I should offer half of a congratulations or half of an "I told you so."

Any estimate on the next two?
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LOL! Well actually we also had a little inside prediction of our own, and now I can say: "Jason you owe me $10 bucks" Funniest Sh....T ever! Thanks Brad for making my day!(PS happy new year Brad, hope all is well)!

As far as the release of other Tenyo Elite tricks go, we are in the process of distributing the first two releases which we are now offering through YFMD. This was our primary goal and are thrilled with the fact that due to a larger run we were able to reduce the cost and have the product priced to allow us to finally distribute these through the shops. And soon as the dust begins to settle after this huge undertaking with our official launch as you can imagine with a project this big, we will be able to concentrate on having the next tricks come out, as far as an actual date, I'll leave the predictions for now up to you Brad... Smile

Thank you so much to all of you who have shown the support that we have received this far. As many of you know this is a labor of love, because we all love the Tenyo Franchise and the ingenious tricks they have produced over the last 50 years, and we are honored to have been able to produce Elite versions!

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We have in stock the first 2 releases from the Tenyo Elite Line

Moonspinner - http://themagicwarehouse.com/TA4967/Teny......ner.html

Fortute Sticks - http://themagicwarehouse.com/TA4966/Teny......cks.html

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Okay need to ask something here.

Firstly, I think the Tenyo Elite concept is very good. Tenyo made some excellent effects and to move away from plastic, mass production items to props that look more professional, is clearly a step in the right direction.

However, can I be totally honest? Aren't the effects produced to date just a little errrrr - 'boring'?

Okay, before I get PM's telling me that any trick is down to it's performance and presentation, I KNOW THAT! It's just the 4 items either ready or due for production are NOT (in my honest opinion) some of Tenyo's better effects. I also question their appeal to most magicians - afterall, I assume that we are the target market given the pricing?

Dare I also say it, but the effects either produced or in the pipeline, don't seem to be the more difficult items to construct/manufacture.

If you compare items such as 'The Sandwich Platter, Zig Zag Cig, Squeeze Play, etc. that just may find more appeal amongst magicians, I just wonder how long this project may last. Maybe, we could do a straw poll for our favourite items that WE WOULD definately buy if they were once again made available?

What are your honest views Steve to the genuine points I've raised?

Has anyone else got any views?
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And nearly 5 Months later, the response is exactly????

Let's be honest, this project is either:

(i) a 'dead duck'
OR
(ii) your ability to update potential, interested customers with exciting new developments is woeful.......to say the least!
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Hello all:

I am writing this on behalf of my partners Steve Brooks, Peter Loughran and myself.

Merc Man, thank you for your post. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound as nasty and sarcastic as it reads.

As you imagine, the economy worldwide is pulling itself out of a crazy crisis. During times like these, "luxury" items like magic tricks (including "Tenyo Elite" products) suffer in sales. I don't need to tell you how many magic shops have closed down, and how many others are having difficulty making ends meet in the last couple of years. Many magic creators that we know are also having their own financial problems.

As of right now, "Tenyo Elite" has had quite a bit of success from our first two products. However we have only sold about 1/2 of our stock that we had manufactured. While we have other Tenyo Elite products in development and in the prototype phase, we really need to sell the rest of our stock on our first 2 items before we spend money to make more. That is just a fact of business. How can we do this if not enough magicians are supporting us? Merc Man, pardon me for being so direct, but have you purchased one of the first two items to help support the line? If your answer is "no" and your reason is that you don't like the first 2 tricks, well then all I can say is, "Welcome to the world of producing magic!".....You simply can't please everyone----someone always wants something different.

Like many around the world, we see the economy improving, and Tenyo has been so supportive of us and also understands that we need more time. When we put this project together we were confident that they would sell much quicker, but unfortunately the world entered a recession at the time of our debut. But if we can't sell what we have, then we can't put out the next round as quickly as we would like to.

Tenyo Elite is a product line that magicians have been asking for for decades! They wanted Tenyo tricks in higher-end materials.....Well we have now delivered, and yet we are not getting enough support. It almost seems that when comments like Merc Man's read that nasty and sarcastic, it is although other magicians want us to fail, which is very discouraging.

Also the three of us (Steve, Peter and I) are very busy with our other businesses, and so we have just hired a rep to do sales for us. We hope that this move will help to improve our sales and exposure to shops. We are still amazed at how many shops around the world have never heard of "Tenyo Elite", and are confident that our rep will help to change this.

We are in no way wanting to abandon this project. Lucky for us, the three of us also have very successful businesses in other areas of magic. These businesses allow us to not completely rely on the income from "Tenyo Elite", and also let us take our time (as we are doing now) if we have to. We don't want to do it this way, but given the state of the world and the lack of support from some in the magic world, this is something that is a reality for us right now. If you want to see the new tricks come out faster, then please support us----this is basic economics. If you cannot support us, then we respectfully ask you to be patient while we sell more of our stock during this economic crisis.

Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Jason Palter
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That seems reasonable enough Jason.Things are indeed difficult at the moment.Many thanks for updating us as to the grounded realities of the situation.

My feeling is that some magicians are politely hinting (and some not so politely!)that it might have been better in hindsight to have started with two more interesting releases from the oft. Whilst there is indeed no pleasing everyone there are a few that the consensus would undoubtedly go for.

For example say you had released as your first two products an elite version of 'Crystal Cleaver' and 'Eclipse'(or even Diabolicus or Eye of the Idol).I suspect that in these circumstances that you might not have had problems to the same extent with respect to both sales and in creating the income for further releases.I guess however that the problem might lie in finding a craftsman able to rise to the challenge with respect to the manufacture of such items from the Tenyo range???

Like many other magicians I wish the enterprise the very best.The idea behind the venture is admirable and does undoubtedly have much potential.Good luck to you.

With best wishes Andy.
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I'm Tenyo collector addict, I have more than 160 Tenyo tricks, you can see my blog here :
http://tenyo-magic.blogspot.com/

I have spend many time to make this blog and I have spend lot of money to complete my collection. But I did not purchase any product of "Elite" and I think I do not buy the two that are not coming unfortunately ...

Is not a question of price but rather a problem of choice of the effect. The version of "Fortune Sticks" produced by Tenyo is already perfect and very good quality, so there is very little value added to the version "Elite".
Moonspinner is an odd choice as an old-fashioned optical illusion, nothing really exciting...

I think you chose these two because this is probably the tricks that need to cost the least expensive to produce and for a start it is important to minimize the risk of failure.
But it is also a miscalculation because Tenyo is better known and loved for its tricks made from complex and ingenious mechanism. And those are the tricks that people dreamed of seeing in Elite version.

To be successful it would have to choose the best tricks and most ingenious of the Tenyo line like :
Side track, Sandwich platter, Crystal clever, Mobile illusion, Eyes of the idol, parabox, mira metal, The Ninja Experiment, Match sticks, Billscape, squeeze play, Ultra Tube, Crystal Pyramid, geometrick, ultraslice, wonderwindow...

I really think you made the worst possible choice. And I am the first disappointment.
I wish you courage and hope for the future with all my heart that you will have the opportunity to finally product the best Tenyo in Elite version.

See you. And thank you for and thank you for your courage to do this super idea.
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It MAY be that Tenyo only made those two available as an affordable option for this new company to try...

Julie
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Can be effectively, if that's so we can all blame Tenyo who have insidiously caused the failure of this first Elite line Smile
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I would have liked to find correct pictures of the Elite version "Fortune sticks" to highlight it on my blog. If you have photo when we can clearly see the bright side metal please send me a pm.
My blog is new And I have every day more and more visitors from around the world and really all the continents and country. This could be a good opportunity to let you know if I made a specific article and a review of your production.

Click here to view attached image.
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On 2010-08-02 09:13, stereo wrote:
Can be effectively, if that's so we can all blame Tenyo who have insidiously caused the failure of this first Elite line Smile


I HOPE this (failure) does not come to pass, but in a strange way it would make these two pieces become very collectible and a good inve$tment.

Julie
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Sorry google traduction is not very good. I don't speak english very weel, maybe the translation is confusing compared to what I really meant.
Yes what you say it's true but I hope it will not happen !
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I think it would be a real shame if this project cannot move forward. I own both pieces put out so far and am thrilled to have them in my Tenyo collection. This is a very unique project in Tenyo's history and I know I would kick myself down the road if I did not aquire them when I had the chance... versus paying inflated ebay prices doen the road.

Jason's very honest update on the current economic stituation, etc. hindering sales is a reality. As a Marketing Director for a large chain I can assure you many projects have been put on hold in the real world... I can only imagine the chalenges of marketing a higher end magic trick in a small niche market.

I hope more Tenyo lovers will support this effort and help ensure we will see more releases from Tenyo Elite. For the team at Tenyo Elite I am sure this is more of a labor of love versus a big money making venture. Some of the negative feedback from Tenyo enthusiasts and collectors must be discouraging. I hope a few more will step up and support this effort and help ensure we see more releases. As a collector with 190+ tricks I have spent more for one plastic trick on many occasions than the cost of one of these finely crafted metal versions.

I am writing this as a collector and Tenyo enthusiast and have no connection to the folks at Teny Elite.

Cheers,

John
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Aaah ... Thanks to John I couldn't resist to buy Furtune Sticks Elite haha Smile I really hope it is an improvement (secret more easy to see) compared to the original one. 120 USD better be worth it (including shipping) - I'll review it once I get it Smile
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Hello all:

Thank you for your responses and for your support.

JM Talbot, we really appreciate your kind words and understanding!

Killertweety, please let us all know what you think of your Tenyo Elite edition of "Fortune Sticks"; we think you'll love them!

And Stereo, if you send one of us a PM with your email address, then we can get you whatever information/photos you need.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Jason Palter
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Stereo - FANTASTIC BLOG MATE!

The releases from the 70's certainly bring back some happy memories!
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Thank you it is a pleasure to see that my blog will recall you happy memories ;o)
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Stereo, that was a great website (and I'm very jealous of your collection). I really enjoy most of my tenyo items. I have to agree with a lot of the sediment above. I love fortune sticks and find the original tenyo item satisfactory. Coming out in a much higher quality piece/metal, doesn't had that much for this effect other than purely as a collectible on a shelf. I am much more likely to purchase an elite item if it is an improvement in the overall workings or makes the piece better capable of being taken off the collector's shelf and put into a working routine (like crystal cleaver as an example).
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I must respectfully take issue with Jason Palter's remark regarding the critics of the current Tenyo Elite releases. The issue is not at all that "You simply can't please everyone----someone always wants something different". The fact is that were Tenyo fans asked to list in order of preference the Tenyo effects they'd like to see as Elites, the effects that were released would be nowhere near the top of that list. The French guy is right. Poor choices were made. Someone wrote, correctly in my view, that the choices reflected financial considerations: keep costs low while we see whether this flies. But why choose to release what anyone should know are effects that are far from Tenyo-fan favorites? It's a no-brainer: this was a paradigm case of inexcusably poor judgement.

Alan
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Wow, it amazes me how many "marketing experts" appear on these forms. I am in marketing in my real job and have sold a few tricks over the years (one very successfully and a couple not so much). It is not easy to market magic tricks in a flooded market in a tight economy. Alan, how do you know how many fortune sticks and moonspinners that Tenyo have sold over the years? If you have inside knowledge please share. I am guessing that Tenyo Elite were privy to some sales numbers on these units as they made their initial decisions. And if they decided to pick a couple of initial items that had decent sales and were lower cost to produce than that my friends would be considered a wise business move in the real world.

We can continue to be negative and insinuate that they don't understand how to market magic. The end result will be that the project will fold and no more releases. I am also pretty sure that Tenyo would be reluctant to back another venture in the short term. I do not know the people at Tenyo Elite, but am pretty sure they have invested considerable dolars into this with minimal return. Wether you like the initial relases or not they have done a fantatsic job on the products, packaging and instructions. They clearly have the chops to make this a great line.

Let's try to be a little positive and supportive. They obviously love Tenyo as much or more as we do and had the "b@$ls" to fund this. If you don't like the effects don't buy them. But you don't have to be negative and call into question their business knowledge etc. As a Tenyo lover and collector I am keeping my fingers crossed that they can continue with more releases. Yes I have my own favorites I would like to see, but am glad to have these ones in the collection.

John
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I just would like them to explain why they chose these two models to start !
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J M Talbot is unhappy with what I took to be uncontroversial remarks. He's a collector and Tenyo enthusiast, so his bias is understandable. I too regard a number of Tenyo products as very good, and underused because they tend to look like toys. But one needn't be a "marketing expert" to conclude that Fortune Sticks and Moonspinner are not Tenyo effects that are typically referred to positively in discussions of Tenyo's output. Over the years many reading this post have read countless comments about Tenyo products. Crystal Cleaver is frequently one of the effects magicians consistently speak especially highly of. The two Elite effects are not. I'm simply reporting an educated observation. And I'm adding that it's fairly obvious why one does not find enthusiastic references to these effects: it's because they are, as one post put it, "boring". I took it to be obvious to anyone familiar with Tenyo's range of products that the two Elite releases are among the least remarkable. I admit that it's not obvious to everyone. But I remain convinced that most magicians familiar with the Tenyo line over the years would agree with me. But maybe they wouldn't...

Talbot thinks we should not be "negative"; rather, we should be "supportive". Otherwise the producers might become discouraged and withhold output. And we shouldn't discourage the production of more Elite products. This argument urges an encouraging attitude in principle, irrespective of what we think of the product. If one happens to think that the business decisions in questions were howlers on stilts, then maybe the producers should be discouraged - for their own good!... I always disable smilies on my posts.

I don't think that a product's having had "decent sales" (and being relatively cheap to produce) justifies a decision to produce in the context of a very severe and prolonged economic downturn. One of the three Elite team members remarked in a post that he assumes that the economic hard times will be over soon enough and that the current Elite sales flop will have proven to be a fluke. I don't think so. (That's a long story, which I won't expand upon here. I am a political economist by profession, and, if you'll forgive me, my track record has been nothing to sneeze at. What the business press now routinely calls the "new normal" will not at all be pretty: a general lowering of wages and living standards and chronically high unemployment. Most of the lost and/or outsourced well-paying jobs will not return. Ever. It's a new ball game. Very sad to say, those of us who market magic will be in for an indefinite extension of the hard times we are experiencing now. For details, if you are interested -and please forgive me again- do Google any of my articles on the condition of and prospects for the US economy.)

Best,
Alan
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While I also think Moonspinner is boring, I have seen two different performers use it in their close-up routines as a way to introduce coins. I think ease-of-use trumps interest when used this way.

Like most mentalism, Fortune Sticks requires some showmanship. One must add sufficient hogwash to shine up the presentation. Those to whom I have shown it did not seem bored. (I do not take my mentalism seriously.)
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Alan:

It is when I see statements such as the one below that causes me to react and chuckle. Possibly I can such a remark in relation to the BP oil situation, but marketing a magic trick... really?

"It's a no-brainer: this was a paradigm case of inexcusably poor judgement."

You are correct I am a Tenyo enthusiast and collector,and I mistakenly assumed that most on this niche fourm were as well.

Yes I sincerely hope that Tenyo Elite continues and will gladly continue to encourage that. Also as a side note I would rank Fortune Sticks in the top two mentalism effects that Tenyo has produced... the other one would be Bird Watcher. Both use clever subtle methods that I love.

Alan it comes down to a difference in approach. I get it, you don't like the effects and you think they are idoits for making them. I prefer... not my favorite effects but they have done a great job with them and I look forwrd to future releases.

By the way I agree with you thoughts on the continued economic impacts we face.

Cheers,

John
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John,

Thanks for your very civilized and tolerant -of my rather in-your-face tone- response. I'm glad you liked these effects and have maybe used them to good effect. In this case you are right that we have an unbridgeable difference of assessment of the products in question. I do think though that those who share my analysis of the prospects for the economy should discourage further investments in the production of new magical widgets.
Best,
Alan
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