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[quote]On 2009-04-22 21:25, swamy wrote:
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On 2009-04-22 19:33, DStachowiak wrote:
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Here is the trick as it appears in "The Secret Out".
http://gr8pics.tripod.com/HotelTrick.pdf
It is definitely the Hotel Trick we know, in a self-working, and not particularly deceptive version. It's like a very simple poker deal. The plot of the story is definitely the same.
The plot of the TRICK may be another matter. As it was presented by Jonathan in the original post, the plot of the TRICK reminds me very much of the old standard coin trick, "Thieves and Sheep". (If you are not familiar with this, crack open your "Bobo" and read it through, then take another look at Jonathan's video.
And yes, I agree with Paul, the effect is perfectly clear, I was just commenting that it was hard to visually differentiate between the face cards in the video.
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In the book "Small but Deadly" by Paul Hallas, there is a mention that in forties there was a picturised packet effect with the plot "Sheep and Theives".


I also mention in Small But Deadly an Emerson and West picturised packet effect which IS the Hotel Mystery, "The Shaggy Dog Tale" (p.77 U. S. edition).

I too had always thought the Hotel Mystery plot was Ed Marlo's so was surprised by the patter from the effect in "The Secret Out" (which I had read at one point and not put two and two together)despite the differing mechanics.

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Another version :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxSeo59MCJQ


Much better handling. The performance looks a bit laborious however and deserves winning in casualness.
A meaningful patter would bring the effect back in the forefront.
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The problem with that routine though is that you can't show any of the queens being dealt to the table. It is a problem in most routines since you are in fact actually switching one out. You can display the two cards even more fairly in my routine since there isn't a third card. Normally I do this as well. In some routines you can actually show one of the Queens before dealing it down but it is almost always the first queen dealt and the second one can't be shown. In mine not only can you show both Queens but the second Queen is shown as dealt to the table and is in fact the proper Queen that would go to that position if you dealt fairly. After the initial two cards are laid down everything else is pretty standard and the only difference is how you choose to handle double cards. The Ascanio style is very pretty but does not fit me at all. Normally I use the Bro. Hamman multiple pushoff technique and turn the cards over "singly" as I do in the video here unless of course the cards are not in a condition to be turned over as doubles in which case I use a backspread like I showed initially. But really any technique works. The main points to my routine is that there is no need for any displacement at the beginning and that the last Queen you show is the Queen that should actually be going there.

The reason I believe the last Queen dealt should be the appropriate Queen is the following: It's the last thing they see and therefore when they remember it that is what they will remember. They remember seeing the Queen actually on the table! This increases the chances that they will "remember" seeing the first Queen on the table as well. Now this may be a bit of an over analysis and it may not make any difference at all but it certainly doesn't hurt. So why not?

Anyway here is another recording of the routine with the Kings handled differently. Also I used black spot cards in place of the Queens for the sake of the video(thanks for that tip). I forgot to turn down the second spot card though and noticed it after displaying the first two kings! After turning it face down I should have re-displayed the Kings but didn't. Oh well, now if that ever happens in actual performance I will be able to handle it better! I'm a big fan of learning from my mistakes.

One final note re: the false deals. I've never been a very good bottom dealer even with a small packet and small packet seconds are always a pain. To cover this I point (and obviously patter) to where the Queens will be dealt saying basically something like "this [chick] goes back to room 103 and her friend back to room 105 (or wherever...I changed it depending on which dorm and room I was in at the time or where I knew ppl lived). Their eyes should in theory be following where I point and then my hand moves back to take the card and forward to place it down there, hopefully avoiding a full-on burn of the packet and hopefully they don't see any movement from the loosening of the bottom card. I do this to cover what I think are just average small-packet false deals. So as not to bruise my epeen too much though..I do think I deal slightly above average seconds off a deck.

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ViXx-Ic0k
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Not many magicians realize that the Hotel trick is the card version of the old Sheeps an Thieves plot
Rechecking what authors like Bruce Elliot presented with crumpled napkins or wooden blocks), Milton Kort, Ed Marlo, Ron Bauer, Lilian Bobo, Duraty and Scott Guinn offered with coins, it is possible to get ideas for varying the versions for the hotel trick. What clearly comes out from the videos on YouTube is that the trick without a script, like any other good trick, does not get through as really magical.

Just add a script and make it a magic trick and the effect will fly beautifully as a feat of magic. Let's not criticize the effect as weak when its weaknesses comes from our own shortcomings in its performance (time displacement, showmanship, misdirection through In Transit actions, canceling out, Five Points In Magic, feints...)
As always to be successful, magic must start from the desired effect and not from the method. The technically valid options offered in Youtube demonstrate once again that focusing on the method fails where presentation and effect supply a magical solution.

As a help please find what was done on this effect with other materials than cards.
Bauer, Ron. Butch Ringo and The Sheep Private Studies Series # 4

Bobo, Jean Baptiste. Modern Coin Magic p 208 Thieves and Sheep (Milton Kort, Stewart James): using nickels and pennies p 249 Thieves and Sheep (Lillian Bobo) Effect as earlier, using a C/S

Duraty. Les nouveaux voleurs de poules in Jubilation (Book in French).

Elliott, Bruce. The Sheep and the Wolves (Walter Gibson) Magic As A Hobby: Seven balls represent 5 sheep and 2 wolves. The wolves should be "mixing" with the sheep, but when the farmer checks, all are where they belong. An alternate version using home-made wooden blocks and a hat is also presented.

Marlo, Ed. Thieves and Sheeps Arcade Dreams by Jon Racherbaumer. With two colors of coins. (uses lapping)

Guinn, Scott F. Cops & Robbers. p 3 Sheepish Thieves. English Pennies held in each hand, 5 silver half-dollars picked up by alternate hands. Upon opening the hands, the English Pennies are together, and all the halves are in the other hand. This is repeated a couple of times and you end clean & My Best To You Vol 2 p 45 Sheepish Thieves uses two English pennies, seven half dollars, two C/S coins that match the pennies and halves, and a coin purse. A very achieved routine using the positive properties of a magnetic force as plot.

Lawrence O’: United we stand. Do the routine with a patter about two politicians trying to get votes for a presidential election. During quiet periods, the votes get split. Then use the Gallo pitch instead of Ross Bertram transfer saying that the democrat candidate tries to gain votes with the right and the Republican one tries to get votes on the left. For major crisis times however we not only end up defending the same cause and bipartisan gains all the votes, but America gets the support of Europe and Europe the support of the USA: united we stand.
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On 2009-04-27 05:06, Lawrence O wrote:
What clearly comes out from the videos on YouTube is that the trick without a script, like any other good trick, does not get through as really magical.

Just add a script and make it a magic trick and the effect will fly beautifully as a feat of magic. Let's not criticize the effect as weak when its weaknesses comes from our own shortcomings in its performance (time displacement, showmanship, misdirection through In Transit actions, canceling out, Five Points In Magic, feints...)
As always to be successful, magic must start from the desired effect and not from the method. The technically valid options offered in Youtube demonstrate once again that focusing on the method fails where presentation and effect supply a magical solution.


Except neither myself or the other person who posted a video (I assume) were trying to present an effect...rather we were displaying a handling. Obviously without a presentation it is very lacking. Sam the Bellhop is a great effect in the hands of a capable performer. Done on Youtube without audio it wouldn't look like anything. (Although I think done on Youtube without an audience in person would also make it fail.)

I mean do people actually read the posts? I mentioned the presentation for the effect a number of times. It is a personalized variation of the standard hotel premise. Yes presentation matters..so does method. Yes we should always be working on presentations...that doesn't also mean that we should not be working on method.

Most effects as written won't work for me..nor should they. The handlings often are a result of the style of the performer. They may choose a particular method because it fits how they handle cards. Since very often how I handle cards is different than how someone else handles cards the particular method they use may not fit my style at all. Or perhaps it uses methods that aren't workable in the situations I use it in. So I adjust the method in order that it fits me. Method and presentation are tied together and I honestly believe you can't really talk about either as isolated parts if you are talking about the performance of magic. But even though they are both part of a whole you can still work on each seperately and then make them fit together.

I guess I need to say it again since reading is hard. THE VIDEOS ARE A DEMONSTRATION OF METHOD AND NOT A PRESENTATION OF THE EFFECT. But clearly since I made a video without audio that MUST be how it is presented in person. Even the newest people to magic know that you can't do something for 45 seconds or more without saying a word. But if you really want to feel like a demonstration of method validates a point that no one really argues with anyway then it's a free world so go ahead.
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I repeat it again IF YOU WANT YOUR METHOD TO BE APPRECIATED, PRESENT IT IN A REAL PERFORMANCE VIDEO... See! I can speak in big letters as well and mines are bold: does it means that screaming helps getting heard?

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Caps means it's true. Caps + Bold means nothing. I don't particularly care if my method is appreciated. There has been some good discussion in this thread about the history of the effect and I've received some nice PM's from a few people. And I saw someone perform Ascanio's handling of the plot. Honestly that is more than I get to see with most threads on the Café so I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

BTW I've seen people deal flawless centers and do ungodly deck switches but it was outside of a performance so I didn't appreciate it. I once saw a kid in nyc do a pass that was so good I didn't believe he actually did one (but he did!). It put pretty much every other pass I've seen to shame but it was done outside of a real performance so I didn't appreciate it. Granted those are all individual techniques so..in the many many sessions I've had generally it gets to a point where we are showing the other people what we are working on and it tends to be unpolished and not even close to performance ready. I've seen some really clever methods during sessions but I can't appreciate them because they aren't presented in a real performance... /sarcasm
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Any thoughts on having the two queens become two kings and the four Kings become four Jacks (or Queens if you want ) ?
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Caps means it's true.

No, caps means you are yelling. If caps means it's true, are we to assume that anything in lowercase is in doubt, but anything in caps is above dispute?
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No, caps means you are yelling. If caps means it's true, are we to assume that anything in lowercase is in doubt, but anything in caps is above dispute?



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... maybe not you personally but some form of sufficiency in parts of your post.

I'm sure that the numerous PMs you received were laudatory (I just hope it didn't make your head spin and that you can still progress from positively nuanced opinions)

Anybody that comes with totally definitive statements exposes himself to be trolled, but I'm sure you wouldn't take that chance...
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Hmm you are right...I need to remember that forums like this are filled with people who haven't really learned how to internet. While "Caps makes it true" isn't quite a meme I still didn't expect anyone to take my post seriously. And btw the PMs were more of a discussion nature than a laudatory nature. Which definitely sucks because I need the praise and acceptance of the youtube and magic forum communities otherwise my life will fail to have meaning!
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Perhaps baggy pants, gang signs and much cooler cards like the t11cru use would get you what you want?

What's the allure of starting by showing the cards away from the pack as opposed to taking them from the pack as needed?
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Perhaps baggy pants, gang signs and much cooler cards like the t11cru use would get you what you want?

Yeah but then I would look like a tool..If I wanted that image I'd rather walk around with a popped collar and some crocs

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What's the allure of starting by showing the cards away from the pack as opposed to taking them from the pack as needed?


Well in performance they would be taken from the deck but to save time on video I started with them out. Doesn't really make sense to waste time searching a deck for cards on video.
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I need to remember that forums like this are filled with people who haven't really learned how to internet.
Yeah, I have to remember that too.
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While "Caps makes it true" isn't quite a meme I still didn't expect anyone to take my post seriously.

How, then, was it meant to be taken? In the context, it comes across as a rather snarky reply to Lawrence's post, which was clearly meant to contribute something positive to the discussion. And no, I'm not trying to troll you. Not every post that disagrees with you is trolling. I apologize if I seemed to be. I enjoyed the video, the only negative comment I had was that I had difficulty distinguishing the queens from the kings the first time through, and I agreed with Paul that using spot cards or aces for one of the sets of characters would have made it clearer visually. I believe Lawrence was merely pointing out that your patter and presentation would have accomplished much the same thing.
Thanks for posting it, and also for opening this thread, it has been interesting.
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It was a snarky reply to Lawrence O. Not his whole post but the part where he seemed to think I was too stupid to realize that performing the effect without any verbal presentation would make it a poor and confusing effect. Also I was slightly annoyed since I think we've covered that point many times in this thread.

I apologize to you though for being smart in response to your comment. I think we all forget how easy it is to take things typed on the internet one way when the writer meant something different. I do agree that using spot cards makes the effect more clear on video though so I used that suggestion on the second video.
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Nice handling. PM'd you with suggestion.
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A trick you could use to introduce this one would be Martin Gardner's "The Clever Innkeeper" found on page 22 of "Martin Gardner Presents." With this trick you explain how a clever innkeeper (or hotel clerk) manages to fit 11 people in 10 rooms and still give them all their own room. You then illustrate this with cards (using the cards for the Hotel Trick).

It not a jaw dropping effect but it is amusing.

To transition from "The Clever Innkeeper" to "The Hotel Trick" you could use a simple line like, "Unfortunately the hotel clerk wasn't as clever as he thought because a leaky roof forced six of the people to share two rooms. And that is an interesting story in itself."

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You should check out Meaux-tel Mystery by my good friend Jason Comeaux.


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Where is it published?
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A bit of history

In working on this material, it has become clear that there were two particularly interesting and productive eras in the 19C for books edited in English. In the fifteen years from 1857, there appeared about a dozen books in the US and the UK: The Magician's Own Book (1857); Parlour Pastime, by "Uncle George" (1857); The Sociable (1858); The Boy's Own Toymaker, by Landells (1858); The Book of 500 Curious Puzzles (1859); The Secret Out (1859); Indoor and Outdoor Games for Boys and Girls (c1859); The Boy's Own Conjuring Book (1860); The Illustrated Boy's Own Treasury (1860, but see below); The Parlor Magician (1863); The Art of Amusing, by Bellew (1866); Parlour Pastimes (1868); Hanky Panky (1872); Within Doors, by Elliott (1872); Magic No Mystery (1876), just to name those that I know. Most of these are of uncertain authorship and went through several editions and versions. The Magician's Own Book, The Book of 500 Curious Puzzles, The Secret Out, The Sociable, The Parlor Magician, Hanky Panky, and Magic No Mystery seem to be by the same author(s). I own a number of previously unseen versions sometimes two editions of the same title are essentially fairly different! This is particularly true between US and UK editions. Many of the later UK editions say 'By the author of Magician's Own Book etc., translated and edited by W. H. Cremer Jr.' From the TPs, it is claimed that they were written by Wiljalba Frikell (1818 1903) and then translated into English. However, BMC and NUC generally attribute the earlier US editions to George Arnold (1834-1865), and some catalogue entries explicitly say the Frikell versions are later editions, so it may be that Frikell produced later editions in some other language (French or German ??) and these were translated by Cremer. On the other hand, the UK ed of The Secret Out says it is based on Le Magicien des Salons ou le Diable Couleur de Rose, for which I have several references, with different authors! -- J. M. Gassier, 1814; M. [Louis Apollinarie Christien Emmanuel] Comte, 1829; Richard (pseud. of A. O. Delarue, a magic publisher), 1857 and earlier. There was a German translation of this. Some of these are at HPL but ??NYS. Items with similar names are: Le Magicien de Société, Delarue, Paris, c1860? and Le Manuel des Sorciers (various Paris editions from 178?-1825, cf in Common References). It seems that this era was inspired by these earlier French books. To add to the confusion, an advertisement for the UK ed. of Magician's Own Book (1871?) says it is translated from Le Magicien des Salons which has long been a standard in France and Germany. Toole Stott opines that Frikell had nothing to do with these books -- as a celebrated conjuror of the times, his name was simply attached to the books. Toole Stott also doubts whether Le Magicien des Salons exists (I own several editions of it), though it may not have been the direct source for any of these works, but see below.

Christopher 242 cites the following article on this series.
Charles L. Rulfs. Origins of some conjuring works. Magicol 24 (May 1971) 3-5. He discusses the various books, saying that Cremer essentially pirated the Dick & Fitzgerald productions. He says The Magician's Own Book draws on Wyman's Handbook (1850, ??NYS), Endless Amusement, Parlour Magic (by W. Clarke?, 1830s, ??NYS), Brewster's Natural Magic (??NYS). He says The Secret Out is largely taken, illustrations and all, from Blismon de Douai's Manuel du Magicien (1849, ??NYS) and Richard & Delion's Magicien des salons ou le diable couleur de rose (1857 and earlier, ??NYS).

Christopher 622 says Harold Adrian Smith [Dick and Fitzgerald Publishers; Books at Brown 34 (1987) 108-114] has studied this series and concludes that Williams was the author of Magician's Own Book, assisted by Wyman. Actually Smith simply asserts: "The book was undoubtedly [sic] written by H. L. Williams, a "hack writer" of the period, assisted by John Wyman in the technical details." He gives no explanation for his assertion. He later says he doubts whether Cremer ever wrote anything. He suggests The Secret Out book is taken from DeLion. He states that The Boy's Own Conjuring Book is a London pirate edition.

This Hotel Room is a mess: I will have to get back there and try and put a bit of order into this.
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As usual my lists cannot be complete, but they can serve as a base for us to complete. It seems clear however that the Hotel Trick was first published in Richard [pseud. of A. O. Delarue] & Delion, M.: Le Magicien des salons, ou le Diable couleur de rose, Recueil nouveau de tours d'escamotage, de physique amusante, de chimie récréative, de tours de cartes, magie blanche, etc., mis en ordre par Richard A.-O. Delarue et suivi d'un supplément par M. Delion ; J. M. Gassier, 1814.[The Parlour Magicien, or the Pink Colored Devil, New Collection of escamotage tricks, entertaining physics, recreative chemics, card tricks, white magic, etc. put in order by Richard A.–O. Delarue and followed with a complement by M. Delion] It is also clear that the Hotel Trick and The Shepperds and Sheeps are the same tricks using sometimes cards and sometimes, coins, nuts, paper balls...

Ackerman, Allan. The Linking Ring, Vol. 82, N° 9 de September 2002; p. 97: Hotel Mystery.

Bauer, Ron. Private Studies Series # 4 Butch Ringo and The Sheep. A great script.

Blismon, Ana-Gramme [Simon Blocquel]. Les mille et un amusements de société, ou Recueil de tours d'adresse, de cartes et d'escamotage; de subtilités ingénieuses; de récréations mathématiques; d'expériences tirées de la physique et de la chimie, etc. Ouvrage orné de 150 gravures pour l'intelligence du texte, ..., suivi d'un choix de petits jeux de société. Tours de cartes. Paris, Delarue, s.d. [1849] Simon Blocquel did sign a lot of entertaining books for the French publisher Delarue which started publishing before similar books under different titles. Is it a coincidence if Richard is a pseudo. for A. O. Delarue the editor of the Magicien des salons, ou le Diable couleur de rose.

Bobo, Jean Baptiste. Modern Coin Magic p 208 Thieves and Sheep (Milton Kort, Stewart James): using nickels and pennies p 249 Thieves and Sheep (Lillian Bobo) Effect as earlier, using a C/S

Branch, Justin. Multiple Assemblies 1983; p. 49 Four Phase in Series Three Room Hotel Mystery.

Busby, Jeff. The Talon, N° 4 June 1979; p. 41: The Repeat Hotel Mystery.

Christ, Henry. The Jinx N° 74 du 6 janvier 1940; p. 496 Aces and Kings,

Comeaux, Jason. Meaux-tel Mystery

Courcy, Ken de. Melting Money 2003 A completely different theme taking us into the money relationship problems in a couple using 9 coins of the same size.

Cremer, W. H. The Secret Out; or, One Thousand Tricks. 1859. "The Secret Out" is unblushingly drawn, illustrations and all, from the French Blismon-Richard-Delion sources; so much so, that when W.H. Cremer later (London, the 1870's) appropriated the whole of Dick and Fitzgerald's efforts, he referred to his "Secret Out" volume as a translation of (on title page, in the preface he owns "partial indebtedness" to) "Le Magicien des Salons"

Diaconis, Persi: Cervon Castle Notebooks According to Jon Racherbaumer, Marlo’s Magazine, Vol. 1 page 245 à 263 Marlo had been inspired by Marlo’s correspondance with Persi Diaconis who had created his own totally underground version in 1967.

Du Coeur Joly. Trois heures d’amusement ou le nouveau Comus. 1801 - Ed : Paris, Debray p. 75 et 76 : « Les Cinq voleurs », [The five thieves].

Duffie, Peter. Effortless Card Magic 1997 by Richard Kaufman

Duraty. La Magie que j’aime. Tome 2 1990 p. 27 : Les voleurs de poules [Chicken Thieves] & Jubilation. 2005 p 94 : Les nouveaux voleurs de poules [New Chicken Thieves]

Elliott, Bruce. The Phoenix, N° 7 avril 17, 1942 ; p 25 : The Farmer’s Daughter by Walter Gibson & Magic as a hobby The Sheep and the Wolves (by Walter Gibson): Seven balls represent 5 sheep and 2 wolves. The wolves should be "mixing" with the sheep, but when the farmer checks, all are where they belong. An alternate version using home-made wooden blocks and a hat is also presented.

Farmer, Bob. The Looking Glass, N° 1 February 1996 by Richard Kaufman; p. 26, Stealing the Hotel Tao. The script is inspired by Miami Vice, with the Kings illustrating 4 kilos of cocaine and the Queens being two dealers.

Gallo, Lou. Richard’s Almanac 1983; p. 93: Only the Lonely

Gibson, Walter B. The Complete Illustrated Book of Card Magic 1969 Ed. Doubleday, NY; p.8: Thieves and Sheep, and p. 450: Thieves and Sheep with Prepared Cards. & Big Book of Magic 1980 p. 70: Thieves and Sheep & Magic as a hobby by Bruce Elliott The Sheep and the Wolves Seven balls represent 5 sheep and 2 wolves. The wolves should be "mixing" with the sheep, but when the farmer checks, all are where they belong. An alternate version using home-made wooden blocks and a hat is also presented. & Regardez ! Il n’y a rien à voir ! [Look! There Is Nothing To See] 2006 by Jean De Merry Ed. Magix Unlimited p. 64: Une histoire de Canards [A Duck Story] using 7 small crumpled paper balls.

Gordon, Paul. Nocturnal Creations 1996; The Bed-Sit Mystery is a three-phase version.

Guinn, Scott F. Cops & Robbers. p 3 Sheepish Thieves. English Pennies held in each hand, 5 silver half-dollars picked up by alternate hands. Upon opening the hands, the English Pennies are together, and all the halves are in the other hand. This is repeated a couple of times and you end clean & My Best To You Vol 2 p 45 Sheepish Thieves.

Hartman, Joseph K. Loose Ends. 1978; p. 61 Flatfoot, Floozie and the Boy & French translation by Richard Vollmer The Very Best of J.K. Hartman 1982; p. 23 Partie carré au Grand Hôtel [Three Some At The Grand Hotel]. & Card Craft by Richard Vollmer 1991; p 596 : Partie carré au Grand Hôtel.

Jennings, Larry. The Looking Glass, by Richard Kaufman. The Hotel Trick with a nice kicker.

Judah, Stewart. The Pallbearers Review 1974 p. 800: Thieves & Sheep with 24 drawings. The use of stickers enhances the deception.

Kaufman, Gerald L. Genii, Vol. 6, N° 1 September 1941. p 13: The King Can Do No Wrong done with two double facers & My Best 1945 by J.G. Thompson, Jr; p. 142: The King Can Do No Wrong still with two double facers.

Kort, Milton & James, Steward. Modern Coin Magic 1952 p 208 Thieves and Sheep: using nickels and pennies & French translation p. 306 à 309 of the Traité de Prestidigitation des Pièces de Monnaie 1956 by J.B. Bobo. Translation by Pierre Lanoë. Ed : Payot

Lawrence O’: United we stand. Do the routine with a patter about two politicians trying to get votes. For minor issues he votes get split. Then use the Gallo pitch instead of Ross Bertram transfer saying that the democrat tries to gain votes with the right and the Republican tries to get votes on the left. For major issues they end up defending the same cause and gain all the votes.

Ludow, Jean. Mad Magic N° 18 (1979) Special Ludow by Jean Merlin, illustrated by James Hodges p. 8 à 11 : Les boulons, les Moteurs et le Germer Vagicien [untranslatable outrageous French joke around engines and bolts]. 5 silver coins and 2 C/S.

Marlo, Edward. Let’s See the Deck 1942; p. 17 The Hotel Mystery derived from the WH Cremer effect but done with 8 cards. & Marlo’s Magazine, Vol. 1 1976; p. 245: The Motel Mystery; seven methods over 19 pages & Marlo Without Tears 1983 p. 232: It’s Only Us Chickens The routine is performed with cards using 2 jacks and 5 red cards. & At The Table 1984 by Jon Racherbaumer Amplius Nickels uses 8 small coins and is detailed over 7 pages supported by 11 illustrations & Arcade Dreams by Jon Racherbaumer. Thieves and Sheeps With two colors of coins. (uses lapping)

Merry, Jean De. Regardez ! Il n’y a rien à voir ! [Look! There Is Nothing To See] 2006 by Jean De Merry Ed. Magix Unlimited p. 64: Une histoire de Canards [A Duck Story] using Walter Gibson’s routine and 7 small crumpled paper balls.

Miller, Justin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl5eiwmG214 August 2002 Frat House trick inspired by Lou Gallo’s routine and supported by a very R rated presentation

Racherbaumer, Jon. Cardfixes 1990; p. 98: A Night in the Big Easy is using the card box to protect the privacy of a lady with two bachelors but ending by showing 4 cards instead of 3 from the box thanks to the Mexican Addition & The Looking Glass, N° 1 February 1996; Three versions after an incomplete history of the Hotel Trick; p. 16: The Jabberwork Way, p. 19: Let Om, and p. 24: Doubling Back to Motel Six with a fourth Bob Farmer version. & Blog on his site Provenance dated February 2004: Brief History of the Hotel Trick.

Richard [pseud. of A. O. Delarue] & Delion, M.: Le Magicien des salons, ou le Diable couleur de rose, Recueil nouveau de tours d'escamotage, de physique amusante, de chimie récréative, de tours de cartes, magie blanche, etc., mis en ordre par Richard A.-O. Delarue et suivi d'un supplément par M. Delion ; J. M. Gassier, 1814.[The Parlour Magicien, or the Pink Color Devil, New Collection of escamotage tricks, entertaining physics, recreative chemics, card tricks, white magic, etc. put in order by Richard A.–O. Delarue and followed with a complement by M. Delion]

Rosenthal, Harvey. Close-up Sampler, Part Two 1976. Rosenthal on the Hotel Trick

Solomon, David. Marlo’s Magazine, Vol. 1 1976; p. 245: The Motel Mystery: the 5th and 7th methods & Magic, Vol. 1, N° 4 December 1991; p. 41. Hotel, Motel, Holliday Inn & Solomon’s Mind - The Card Mysteries of David Solomon by Eugene Burger 1998; p. 141: Hotel, Motel, Holliday Inn.

Trost, Nick. The New Tops, Vol. 14, N° 6 June 1974 The Hotel Mystery Updated. & Subtle Card Creations, Vol. 2 1976; p. 30: Chapter on The Hotel Mystery including 5 effects & The Card Magic of Nick Trost: Like With Like.
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On 2009-05-01 21:09, Jonathan_Miller wrote:
It was a snarky reply to Lawrence O. Not his whole post but the part where he seemed to think I was too stupid to realize that performing the effect without any verbal presentation would make it a poor and confusing effect. Also I was slightly annoyed since I think we've covered that point many times in this thread.

I apologize to you though for being smart in response to your comment. I think we all forget how easy it is to take things typed on the internet one way when the writer meant something different. I do agree that using spot cards makes the effect more clear on video though so I used that suggestion on the second video.


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Congratulation and respects from this side.
I was really not upset and it was, as far as I was concerned, a sort of (admittedly not very funny) teaser to induce people to start on YouTube from the effects rather than the method.
Please accept my apologies as well.

Bob Farmer's theme on cocaine and dealers seemed to me a very smart emotional angle if doing the effect with diamond spot cards and two jacks. It could lead to a really emotional patter ending up with the rejection of the two isolated jacks. Many variations could be figured out on this theme alone (children saved from dealers, cocaine captured and dealers arrested...)
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but Lawrence's comments above have gotten me curious about some related history. I have started a new thread,
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=2&0
on this related topic.
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but Lawrence's comments above have gotten me curious about some related history. I have started a new thread,
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=2&0
on this related topic.
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On 2009-05-03 14:35, DStachowiak wrote:
I don't want to hijack this thread, but Lawrence's comments above have gotten me curious about some related history. I have started a new thread,
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=2&0
on this related topic.
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So did I, evidently it was deleted.
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When you're strange, people ... (the Doors)

Try with a different title, it may work
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Lawrence O,

Here's another one to add to your list. In "Magician's Magic" by Paul Curry, he had a version using I believe Top Hats and Doors. I haven't seen the book in a while, so my memory of the image he used might be incorrect. I know it wasn't regular cards.

The book also had Out of this World in it. I believe the book is now published by dover.
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The effect "Queens going to Dig for Diamonds" is another Hotel Mystery plot from the book "Parlour Magic" 1858.

This effect is earliear than the effect "Like with Like, How to keep a Hotel" from the book "Secret Out"
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Jaon Racherbaumer wrote up some interesting handlings in The Looking Glass.

Worth looking up.

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