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On Sep 29, 2017, Mindpro wrote:
8 years old and this STILL has nothing to do with performance hypnosis.


It can do. I've performed with a PLR theme and I know others who do so too. For a simple example have a look at Pastell in M,M & M. If you're going to use this kind of presentation you need to know something about the subject.

I've only just noticed this thread. I'm a hypnotherapist specialising in PLR and I have a few blogs on the subject which you can find at https://barrydcooper.wordpress.com/categ......therapy/

As they aren't connected with performance I won't go into details here.
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The first hurdle with PLR is the fact that once you hypnotize someone to uncover a "past life" you are suggesting just with that there IS a past life. Which is what makes it SO bogus.

Now used as a therapy remedy might be another case, but as for the "compelling" nature of it not so much.
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I have done many past life regressions. I am not sure they proved anything but they didn't disprove anything either. I do think it helped my clients and the experiences seemed to be very vivid. I do know that it garned me terrific publicity for my hypnotherapy practice.
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On Sep 29, 2017, Mindpro wrote:
8 years old and this STILL has nothing to do with performance hypnosis.


Actually it does. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it can if you want it to do. In Ormond McGills book there actually is a past life regression routine described for stage performance. In fact I once saw a stage hypnotist do a very good version of it. It did seem to hold the attention of the audience and made a refreshing change from all the comedy skits that are normally used.
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I just threw up in my mouth.

It in no way "proves" the existence of reincarnation. And that idiotic premise has nothing to do with performance except to cause more confusion.

Yes it would provide a refreshing change from the entertainment provided. But the average person does not see many hypnosis shows, so the idea of having to change is not really relevant.
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Hilarious!
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It is true that the average person does not see many hypnosis shows but I meant "refreshing change" in the context of ONE show! Within that show. In other words you have all the comedy stuff as usual but you have a sudden contrast with this more serious dramatic segment. It does make good entertainment I assure you if done correctly with the right presentation. As I stated in my post I have actually seen it presented with my own eyes by a very competent stage hypnotist. And as I also stated it is described by Ormond McGill in the context of a stage presentation rather than a hypnotherapy situation.

However, I do apologise for not making myself clear when I said "refreshing change" I meant within the context of the show rather than in comparison to other shows.

And yes. If you reread my post you will see that I sort of agreed with you about the lack of proof. I stated clearly that there was no proof. However, I do suggest reading the classic book on reincarnation which might half convince you. Even if it doesn't you will find it a fascinating read, especially for someone like yourself who is active in the hypnosis field. It is called "The Search for Bridey Murphy" by Morey Bernstein.
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Been a while since this happened. I miss you.
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I have noticed this section has been very quiet for a considerable time. I figured you must be getting bored by all the inaction so I thought I would pay a visit.
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The only time this section is worth reading is when your here.

This entire site for that matter.
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To get back to the subject at hand did you ever look at Barry Cooper's blog? (Mind Magic). He gave a link to it in his post above. I found it fascinating. He mentions FUTURE life progression! If past life regression makes you want to throw up then I think you should make sure a doctor is on hand when you read about future life progression! It is what happens in your NEXT life!

I can just about maybe a teeny, teeny bit think there might---just might----be something in past life regression. After all 75% of the world's religions believe we have lived before and there does seem to be some tenuous evidence for it. However FUTURE life progression is a bit much to swallow even for me!

Anyway read it and see. At least it will give you something to complain about! The link is on Barry's post.
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All you are doing is planting suggestions and letting imagination run wild. Same asall hypnosis.

It you think that somehow there is something to it cool. But hypnosis is not about that nonsense. If you think it is entertaining to have them do some part life whatever and think it is dramatic and your show is better for it then it is.
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I agree with Danny. It's just suggestions being acted upon.

I cheerfully agree there may be something to the idea of reincarnation. But 75% of world religions (who also believe in many other completely unproven/unprovable things) believing in something is not evidence at all. People believed diseases were spread by smells for quite a while - that's clearly not true either. Belief is not only not proof, it can easily sway the perception of actual proof (in either direction). So it is actively detrimental to proper research and investigation.
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Well, I have no idea whether people have lived past lives before or not. I do know it is a great money spinner and I got full page articles and even two page spreads in national newspapers when the media heard about it. Not that everyone might approve. I do remember a very successful stage hypnotist in Mexico saying to me, "You really are a piece of work" when I told him about it. Mind you, this particular fellow had a very sensitive conscience. I still remember him selling hypnotherapy products after his show and spending inordinate amounts of time trying to persuade people not to buy them!
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I'm sure it does bring in money. It's intriguing and people love to hear about themselves. I've used presentations that are kind of, regression-esque, without ever saying it is regression, myself.

I've been told by folks in the metaphysical community that there's a lot more money to be made in this sort of work than in magic performance, as well. I have no reason to doubt them but I've never bothered verifying myself, as I have no intention at this time of catering to that market.
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There is always money in taking advantage of desperate people. If you can live work yourself go for it.
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Actually I no longer do Past Life Regressions so I am now deprived of desperate people although I must say at the time they didn't seem that desperate to me. However nowadays I am delighted to announce that I now have oodles and oodles of desperate people wanting to give me money. I do lots of palm and tarot readings now which I seem to have a bit of a knack for. However, I do have to concede that my clients appear to be less desperate after they have finished with me. I really should be nominated for sainthood..
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Nahhh that is not outright theft. Even as big a Boy Scout as I am don't think so.
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Alas some of my less ethical colleagues make past life regressions look very tame in comparison with the way they do psychic readings. Theft is actually an understatement. Some of them have ended up in jail and quite rightly so.
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I know a woman who's hypnosis practice in a new age "wellness clinic" is probably 80% past life regression. That number is her estimate. She does some weight loss and so on, but the vast majority of her clients are paying to go into past life "experiences." She believes it, so do they. I don't, but she never asked my opinion.

I did once see what could have been an interesting premise for a hypnosis show except that the participants and some of the attendees were serious about it. Long story short, I was at an event that turned into a channeling. This guy was presented to us, he sat on a chair, went into some sort of trance,and then he was "channeling" an extraterrestrial entity. He seemed convinced it was a real experience. I thought then and now that hypnosis was part of what was happening. It was a gathering after a fire walk. One of the strangest evenings of the '90s for me and that's no small feat. Lots of stuff happened then and in the time around then (no, there were no drugs involved.) Anyway, I think that someone so inclined could do an act for public entertainment that was built around reincarnation that might go over great in the right circle. Point being, even a thread that goes way off the proverbial reservation might bear fruit for some performer.
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