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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-08-08 18:41, The Donster wrote: I believe he fired all the good consultants and came up with this on his own! I'm sure of it ... His signature F-word barrage gives it all away Classy
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The Donster Inner circle 4817 Posts |
Yes Very Classy Saying the F Word. how Many Parents want to take their kids to something where the F word is used.
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
I don't believe that it cut the guys neck off. I think criss just stated that it was ****ing his neck. I would venture that at the most it was barely in the guys neck. What can you say criss has a small blade. LOL!!!!
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wartnerchaney New user NYC 21 Posts |
I don't think that Criss is trying to appeal to parents and the young demographic so I don't think he cares "how many parents want to take their kids to something where the F word is used". Cirque goes for a "family" demo in their other shows but I think they're after Criss's base of "loyals" in the pre-teen, teen and young adult demographic for his Cirque show.
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gulamerian Special user 581 Posts |
I don't think the Cirque organization is too thrilled with Criss. I think it's just a matter of time.
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wartnerchaney New user NYC 21 Posts |
The other week they closed the show down for a couple weeks to add more magic. We'll see what happens...
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Adam Wood Loyal user Ontario, Canada 225 Posts |
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On 2009-08-06 13:39, gulamerian wrote: The guy is real; Crissy's the FAKE! And, might I add another name to frank's amazingly long list, Paul Stanley from the band KISS.
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Frank Simpson Special user SW Montana 883 Posts |
No, Paul was not in the Broadway production of Phantom, he was in the Toronto production and he was TERRIBLE in the role! That's two hours and forty minutes of my life I'll never get back! LOL
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
A bit off the subject Frank, but since we're mentioning celebs in Phantom....did you ever see Robert Guillaume?
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psychicJeff New user 26 Posts |
Beyond Fake. Karma is getting back at angel now at his horrible show that is bombing. I feel bad for the Luxor though. They have a 10 year contract or something.
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D.N. New user 4 Posts |
HAHA I just watched the new Mindfreak episode "Mass Levitation" on http://www.aetv.com/criss_angel/video/index.jsp
and I was laughing my *** off when they revealed it was fake. All your hater comments seem so ridiculos now. I believe the guy with the cut off head was actually Doug Malloy. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-08-27 14:48, D.N. wrote: lol... I just have to dissect this just a little bit. Most of the comments I saw were about the bad acting. I think many would agree that was still the case regardless of intent. Few magicians were actually "fooled" that this was faked. In fact he DID use Doug for the "victim" in one of the more obvious stoogings so far this season (although Doug reprised his role as the "leaner" in the Mass Levitation segment... I guess Criss has given up hiring unknowns to stooge things for him) I think one of the more telling statements in the episode was in the beginning when he stated "Tonight, I'm going to attempt what has never been accomplished in the history of my art form... a mass levitation" We can only assume that his art form isn't magic but television editing. He of course has his internal team rambling about how he's going to use people he doesn't "know" (I guess in the biblical sense) and that there are no gimmicks yet in fact there is EVERY gimmick known to magicians the world over. I would call it more of a levitation "medley" just stringing together every method he could pre-rig under a mat or behind some masking. Please don't confuse our sadness with what he has done to any semblance of credibility in magic to "hating". I believe them to be two very differing emotions.
Ray Pierce
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revlovejoy Special user Pennsylvania 765 Posts |
Good analysis Ray.
But I'll go ahead and hate on the guy for another reason entirely. Pranks are one thing. But, to let people think they just participated in/witnessed the paralyzing or possible death of another human being, makes him a complete and total d*****bag of the highest order. I've pulled plenty of practical jokes, and probably even faked a small injury or two in the process if I'm honest. But to let all those people go that long with the situation they were faking? Unconscionable. So yeah, I'll hate on him. Next he'll have his brother call his Mom and say "Criss just burned to death in rehearsal" then when she shows up at the morgue, Ashton Kutcher will pop out and scream that she got Punk'd. This is lowlife no-class behavior of a complete hack, twit, and scumbag. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Lol... I can't really argue with that!
Ray Pierce
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D.N. New user 4 Posts |
What was your opinion on the Dekolta Chair?
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KidMagic Regular user Bradford 183 Posts |
HE TELLS EVERYONE THAT IT IS FAKE! It was one a joke played on everyone who was watching and he showed it in a later episode, for his new season...
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
That prank was pretty bad. However, CA has brought magic back to the people. People are talking about magic again and that is a good thing. I salute him for what he has done. Whether by camera tricks or by rigged props, he is making magic a topic of discussion. I have always believed that the true for of magic is in the performers ability to entertain. This is exactly what he does. Forget what genre he does, he still entertains millions. So until I see anyone on here that bad mouths him do the same, you will just be jealous haters. Plain and simple. He sells magic. I thought that the dekolta chair was an awesome way to make an appearance in that situation.
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revlovejoy Special user Pennsylvania 765 Posts |
I'm talking about the people on the stage, that unless they were all stooges, (which with CA is a total possibility) - were led to believe for a period of time, that this man was paralyzed or dying. The viewer on the later broadcast knows it's a prank, sure.
Michael Vick entertains millions, and is a low-life. Just because someone entertains millions does not give them license to be a horrible person. I'm not even commenting on his affronts to the magic community, it's the prank that I find unsconscionable. I would say the same if my father did it. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-08-28 12:03, BYUDAD wrote: I totally understand your comment. His "Tribute" to Richardi was a great edited way to do the DeKolta chair if reality doesn't matter to you. The Satan's Seat is a fun appearance. I'm not sure he sells magic... I honestly believe his prime motive is to sell himself. There is sadly a big difference. Magicians that depend on magic as their income do need to keep it in the limelight. There have been many great magicians that have done this through the years and we all owe a great debt of thanks to them. They increase visibility and create interest in what we do as it serves to amplify the desire for work for all of us. Other magicians (I'm not mentioning any names) have been known to rape and pillage the system by creating totally unrealistic expectations for us by creating their own brand of "magic" that can't actually be accomplished as visually depicted. They could be driven by money, power, ego and fame to the point where they might not care about what's really best for other magicians or even magic as an art ... just what can blast them ahead leaving a trail of magical corpses in their wake. Is it fair? Is it cheating? Is it ALL camera tricks? It doesn't really matter. It creates unrealistic expectations that no one can live up to... especially the perpetrator. This has created a trend of not even caring about a method. We have a generation of kids with video cameras, an Internet connection and a Youtube account that are trying to duplicate what they see and doing a decent job. Real skill and methods no longer matter if you have a home editing system. We can debate that this IS the magic of this generation. Sleight of hand becomes sleight of mouse as kids just hobble together a virtual effect on their laptop. They determine that if you fake an effect on camera, you can get a TV show on basic cable and eventually a show in Vegas. How can I debate that with them? Where does this leave what I will call (for lack of a better term) the real magicians? The ones who have taken years to develop their skills and can actually do effects live and have them create a real sense of mystery and wonder. What do we say when people ask us if we can do what the TV magicians do... and they are just deluded enough to believe it's all real because "what you see is what you get". You do a brilliant effect you've spent years mastering and they tell you that the TV magician just does it without all of that fumbling around (as his fumbling around is on the cutting room floor). I'm so proud of magicians who work hard and try to create a better magic environment for all magicians. It's a lot harder to do it the right way but then everyone wins. Other's simply don't care and want to get ahead at all costs... even if that cost is ultimately destroying the art they claim to love. Time will tell...
Ray Pierce
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1614 Posts |
Ray Pierce wrote:
" What do we say when people ask us if we can do what the TV magicians do... (?)" Ray , I'm sure YOU know exactly what I say: "Yes I can do exactly what______does on TV, just as he does it too, with a video camera and a team of clever video editors. What you saw on TV...you will NEVER see done live." Some times people are surprised at the candor, and others say something like, "I THOUGHT that's was what it was..." I have no reason to lie on the perpetrators behalf and compound the problem. As for those forum members who might now call me a "jealous hater" , let me assure you that my approach, style ,and professional markets... and those of our TV magic 'stars' are radically different and I have no reason for envy or jealousy.
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