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There must be a routine here by looking at the stuff and perhaps re creating some of it.
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I think this was on the Café last year and someone said it was a fake. A good fake, but still a fake.

I still love it!
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Various types of these have been floating around for years, often being auctioned for 2-4K.
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Not even a good fake. Search vampire killing kit on this forum.
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And yet people continue to buy them, and they will still be bought as long as there are rich people that will spend money on anything.

Buyer beware. As the saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon to part".
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The kit looks like something that might come from Outlaw Products! Smile

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I bet that the artists at Outlaw can do better.
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Let's hope they do !
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On 2009-08-22 02:59, The Curator wrote:
Not even a good fake. Search vampire killing kit on this forum.

Okay, I'll bite... Smile

How can you tell?
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You'll BITE George, oh lord I had now idea you were one.... of them!
Quick where can I buy a kit?

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I need new glasses.

When I saw this topic I was really interested in what it could be, all sorts of interesting and bizarre ideas flooded through my mind. I thought it said "Vampire killing kilt"
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On 2009-08-22 17:14, George Ledo wrote:
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On 2009-08-22 02:59, The Curator wrote:
Not even a good fake. Search vampire killing kit on this forum.

Okay, I'll bite... Smile

How can you tell?


Bottles are from the 1930/40's era at least, pistol is ridiculous, the wooden stake (with crosses) weren't in use, the disposition in the box isn't correct for a XIXth century kit... Lot of mistakes.

This one have 3 silver crosses (a golgotha) engraved on the pistol, the book is a 1819 book with informations like "how to discover a vampire tomb", bottles are embossed and easy to date (as are all the items in the kit), the Blomberg serum is still in one of the bottles (and has been analyzed), there are 2 holy relics with their cardinal seals, protective medals against demons...

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Here's quite a collection of kits (also, one confession):

http://deeplyblue.com/bluetea/labels/assemblage.html

grain of salt, anyone?

:D
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But "Michael de Winter" is wrong, Nicolas Plomdeur and Ernst Freiherr Von Blomberg did exist. I let my friend Van Helmont tell you you about Blomberg, he made the research; and my other friend Antoine (who's working at the Invalides, the war museum in Paris) to tell you about Plomdeur.
I forgot to mention that there's an autographed photo of Blomberg in the Surnateum collection, and I think he still has a descendance today.

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Ernst Freiherr von Blomberg (°1821 - +1903)
Born in Hamburg, son of Wilhelm Freiherr von Blomberg. He attended the Academisches Gymnasium where he studied Evangelic Theology and subsequently enrolled the University to study Biology. We lose his track due to the moving of the family; he resurfaces in 1856 when he is appointed Lektor at the University (then Fachschule) of Lübeck. He holds the chair of Zoology and, fully within his iron Prussian upbringing, sports a fascination for all things theological. In 1869 he publishes a work called “Die Verwandlung I'm Prinzipus: Thiere, Maenschen und Ihren Gottlosen Vereinen”. Covering topics such as clinical lycanthropy and clinical vampirism, it is considered the first attempt in describing anthrozoology. Later, and unintentionally, he is the first to coin the term Human biology. Today, this term is used on an entirely different basis, but his use had the same roots of research, albeit distorted by religious motives. As Sanitätsrat (an honorary title given to physicians), Freiherr von Blomberg equally held a private medical practice in his estate in Lauenburg from 1889 until 1894. He retired from university two years later. He died in Lübeck in 1903.

In 1914, Springer Berlin/Heidelberg posthumously published his “Ein seltener fall von Hydrocephalus” (A Rare Case of Hydrocephalus) in the ‘Zeitschrift für die gesamte Neurologie und Psychiatrie’. It was his last study to scientifically prove that a physical deformation (in casu Hydrocephalus) was a possible cause of lycanthropy and vampirism.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiherr_von_Blomberg
So, Michael de Winter's opinion and confession = lol.

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That's just brilliant!

I'd sure like to read the whole thing, however, and not just the introduction. Is the whole thing on line somewhere? Or is there more at the Surnateum? OK, I guess this last question I can answer myself. I'm off to do it.
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Part of it has been published on Wikipedia, but most of the real information is kept in the Surnateum Library. But Van Helmont will probably answer your question here.
Some people like "de Winter" make very stupid claims until they meet people who simply do research.

The team members of the Surnateum do their homework and we have very unusual and interesting theories and studies about subjects like: what's the real origin and secret in the Tarot of Marseille, who's tomb is represented on Nicolas Poussin's painting "les Bergers d'Arcadie", who was Blomberg, when do we have the first use of silver bullets against monsters (witches, werewolves or vampires), what is probably the real cause of the famous vampiric panic in Europe during the early XVIIIth century...
Every bit of information is perfectly documented.
But you have to be a member of the Surnateum to gain access to that level of information.
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Hey, Curator, thanks for the feedback on the kit. Smile
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On 2009-08-23 06:47, The Curator wrote:
But "Michael de Winter" is wrong


Yes he is…

I could follow Nicolas Plomdeur in Archives in the second part of 19th century

Nicolas Plomdeur was formed in liege. Some years later he emigrated to France to become leader of the Parisian workshop of his father. Amazingly, his workshop was located nearly the office of French policeman Vidocq, on whom I am currently working on… He then installed his son in it, before taking back the headquarters in liege, once his father died. The Kesselhaut firm bought back the two workshops at the end of 19th century.

Archives give us strong informations... Not de Winter...
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There must be a routine here by looking at the stuff and perhaps re creating some of it.
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Even a full show (remember Vampire Esp ?).
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You'll BITE George, oh lord I had now idea you were one.... of them!
Quick where can I buy a kit?

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Well, after seeing all the above, I'll be happy to make one up for you... if I ever catch up. Smile On the other hand, a side order of garlic fries might do it.
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Who can I be of assistance here?
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I was at a gun show a while back and a guy had one of these for sale!
It looked really cool and cost a little over $1000.

I took pictures of it on my cell phone and will try to upload them later.



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Who can I be of assistance here?


Yop, give us a little feedback about your search of Blomberg, but keep some Surnateum info secret. Smile
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George yes! There should also be a high-tech 21st century version of this….
with Garlic Fries and Ginsu Steak Knives included perhaps!
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There is the 'AUTHENTIC'...and there is the Movie Prop version. The Authentic may need to be in a serious museum collection. The Movie Prop version is quite suitable for a Magic Act and need not be belittled. It's a theatrical PROP.

Also since Vampires are just as real now as they were then...the early version was also just a Theatrical Prop.

The conflict comes about only when providence is misrepresented...and when the more contemporary Props are over priced.

Just my 2 cents...no more than that.
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Agreed, but for 10000 to 40000 $, you don't buy a movie prop. Some of those kits have been sold by Christie's for sums between 10 and 40k $.
And, if you present the kit as a real one, it must baffle the antiquarians, so be prepared with very solid argument.
If you make such a prop, it's interesting to be well documented, otherwise a simple plastic with holy water is good enough.

Plus garlic fries are an insult to Belgians and Belgium's most cherished gourmet speciality Smile
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Plus garlic fries are an insult to Belgians and Belgium's most cherished gourmet speciality Smile

My humble apologies. Can we do wolfbane fries then?
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Wolfbane sounds rather poisonous...
But Belgian werewolves will appreciate.
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Completely agree Mr. Curator.The 'bogus' kits being overpriced (like I mentioned) are ridiculous.

I would encourage others though, if they have penchant to do so, to make Prop Kits for the many who are attracted to them. A $100 or $200 kit would be fun to have without breaking the bank and not challenge the 'Authentic' ones in the least. In fact make your own up...even using Antique Crosses and Antique Prayer books (mine cost $8 on eBay is in German and is perfect for the look.) it might cost $75 to do a nice one minus a pistol. Mine only lacks the Silver Bullet I want to include and the Pistol. But my personal kit will be an all purpose kit and do in the Wolfys as well. Smile

My kit will be strictly Universal Studios inspired. Smile
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