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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
I met an older US couple that visited the "old world" in Austria. I took out a Bicycle deck and they asked me if these are cards from Austria. Any questions?
Why do you really believe that all US citizens would care about playing cards or that Bicycle cards exist? Because they have nothing better to do to look at the back of cards that show up in movies or tv series? Hmm. There are more important things to watch. Every magician learning at least a little bit about (mis-)direction will know how many items will stay completely unrecognized by normal people. We are aware of the existence of these cards so we see them in a completely different light. But not lay people. It is funny how often this "common" deck is the center of discussions in a forum. In the real world if you go out and do good magic this issue will NEVER exist.
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Kevinr, USPCC is no longer in Ohio. And I believe the general thrust in this discussion is that the guy making the cards put in his own hard work, and is a magician. This might be a great product, give it a chance.
I will be interested to get my hands on a deck of these. Will they be sold at magic shops? ( I understand it is the owner who would be stocking them) Jeff, I believe USPCC stopped making many of the gaffs because of the move. I will have to do some research and get back to you on that. Many rumors out there, many forums, some truth...
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
Both last posts are very true and valid. Jan
P.S.: O.k., last three posts...
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iceblade Loyal user 254 Posts |
It's a pity those aren't made in bridge size because I would certainly give them a try
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
In the last three years bridge size cards never played a role for me. If ever, perhaps 5 people asked for special bridge size cards. Paul Potassy is one of them...
So the chances for a bridgesize deck are really small. And this, btw, is the same reason why a lot of special trick cards are no longer stocked at USPCC as the demand of magician´s cards are for them only marginal. Means: not even 2 percent of their sold playing cards go to magicians. Their main business is definitely in casino playing cards. Why they stopped several trick cards? Due to their law department. All their trademarks (backs, Jokers, Aces) only keep strong if they are not changed over and over again. Every single change weakens their trademarks and there would be one day where USPCC will not be in the position to fight against any rip-offs from China or other producers. That is the reason why they stopped it. I can understand their point of view absolutely. For them it is much more important to keep selling 20 million Bicycle decks per year and lose a few angry magicians than keeping a few magicians happy and facing the biggest problem of copies of their most important brand.
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Bill Lhotta Veteran user on top of a 14000' mountain in Colorado 357 Posts |
I read the advertisement from the Café here that Steve sent out and after drilling into one of the links was surprised to read that USPCC was discontinuing double backers/double facers and blank faced cards. I was under the assumption (as discussed in this Thread) the only gaffs that were being discontinued by the USPCC were those that altered the trademarked design on the back. In the thread I just mentioned it states double backers, double facers, blank faced cards , mismarked pips (except for Ace of Spades), etc would not be affected by the new USPCC policy since these gaffs do not alter the back design that the USPCC owns.
I’d like to understand if this is true or not as it goes against some of the key advertising points made in the Phoenix ad. Christian would you please comment. Thanks! ** Bill ** |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
USPC took the mentioned products out of their portfolio. If someone orders these kind of decks and stocks them by himself, these kind of cards will exist in near future again.
But this will not be the effort of USPC regarding us magicians, it is because someone (or a group of people) wants to fill the gap that USPC opened. So far as I heard these standard gaffs (double facers, blank cards, double backers) should be available soon. This shows that we cannot rely any longer on USPC's care for magicians but on the efforts of other companies or persons. I don`t want to criticize the politics of USPC, they have to survive in a hard world market of playing cards. And the new owners wanted to concentrate on the core markets to increase the profits so it seems.
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Bill Lhotta Veteran user on top of a 14000' mountain in Colorado 357 Posts |
Thanks for the clarification Christian!
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Steve Brooks Founder / Manager Northern California - United States 3780 Posts |
I'm looking forward to checking these decks out, but then again I'm a card guy.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I'm not a card guy - I stick mostly to coins. Small hands make card sleights a potential disaster for me every time I perform them!
That said, I really do like the Phoenix deck and also the fact that Christian is really putting a lot into this - sure, for himself as a business owner, but also for magicians everywhere. So I'm about to place an order now, probably for a dozen Phoenix decks. Heck, If I don't end up using most for performances, I know some people - and some really nice kids (ahem... my granddaughters!!) who will love playing poker with them!! And I'll bet no one even notices that they aren't Bikes. (Just for grins and giggles, I asked several folks last week - regular people from all walks of my life - what brand cards they usually play cards with. Not one had an answer! I then asked what the backs of the cards looked like - most said either "Red, with some kind of design", or the same answer but with "Blue".) Thanks Christian. Jim |
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Lee Smith Elite user 420 Posts |
I really like the look of these, I have sent a pre order to try them out.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Has anyone tried to faro these cards? If so, how do they compare to other major brands?
John PS Even here in Canada, most decks that I see are from the dollar store. I've never met a non-magician who has said that anything was standard.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
As the cards are still not on the market nobody can have had the chance to faro them. Just take a regular deck of Bicycle cards and faro them face-up if you usually faro Bicycle face-down. This should give you a close feeling how they will handle when they are available.
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2239 Posts |
Christian showed me a prototype Phoenix deck back in August at LVMI and Magic Live. As someone mentioned earlier, they do have an "Aladdin" kind of vibe to the back design. I quite like them.
As for audiences thinking something is standard or not... Between myself and magician friends of mine, I've seen magic done for layfolks with Bikes, Tally-Hos, Bees, Split Spades, Arrcos, etc, etc, and not ONCE has anyone said anything about whether the cards were normal or not. People just don't pay a lot of attention to it. If they see 52 faces and a design on the back, it registers to them as a deck of cards. Also, normal people buy their decks at Walmart, Target, the drugstore, etc. If you go into any of those stores, you'll see normal Bikes, Jumbo index, Bees, Studs (at Walgreens), Pinochle decks, Spongebob decks, and so forth. People are aware that multiple decks exist. Magicians seem to LOVE to run without being chased. I think the Phoenix deck looks really nice, and I'm glad Christian is trying to put out a deck that magicians can have full control over in order to produce any effect imaginable. I put my preorder in on day 1. Kevin
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Harry Guinness New user 38 Posts |
Really like the look of these. Need to replenish my card stocks, down to my last few decks. Not been impressed with the last few bricks of Bikes I bought, edges were rough! Also, based in Ireland we have no shops that sell bricks of cards cheaply. Cost 30 yoyos to get a brick over here! Christian, I'm gonna be fully behind you!!! Gonna order presale pack 5 I think! 3 quid a deck plus the extras suits me great!
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Dizzidiz Regular user 107 Posts |
I just ordered myself a birck of them. the 5 dollar shipping made me ecstatic! (I'm in canada)
I would have bought more, but I don;t have money right now haha (school >_<) |
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Darius666 Veteran user London 368 Posts |
I think if someone is going to suspect you of using dodgy cards, they will suspect you whatever deck your using. I've had it a couple of times in my professional work using nomral bikes.I can't see why the Pheonix deck would make people anymore supsicious.
I've been using the Karnival deck for a long time now and not had anyone suspect them (I have had a lot of comments on how cool they look!) I will be honest and say that the design is not to my personal liking but I do think this project is a very good idea and Christian deserves to do very well with it. Best of luck Darius |
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Darius666 Veteran user London 368 Posts |
I think if someone is going to suspect you of using dodgy cards, they will suspect you whatever deck your using. I've had it a couple of times in my professional work using nomral bikes.I can't see why the Pheonix deck would make people anymore supsicious.
I've been using the Karnival deck for a long time now and not had anyone suspect them (I have had a lot of comments on how cool they look!) I will be honest and say that the design is not to my personal liking but I do think this project is a very good idea and Christian deserves to do very well with it. Best of luck Darius |
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wpt1031 Loyal user Toledo Ohio 237 Posts |
Will these decks be offered by any other retailers besides yourself Christian? If not its not a big deal since your shipping is fantastic.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
I am open for all dealers and there are already a few inquiries. If you have a dealer nearby where you would like to purchase the Phoenix Decks: please say hello from me and tell him that he should visit my website and get his dealer status here:
http://www.card-shark.de/index.cfm?page=......ler=true Thanks
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