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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
Nice work. If our imputs are still welcome for, maybe, the next runs in the production, I'd find two jokers and, maybe, a blank-faced card more appreciable than the 3 new ace designs.
I'd say a doube-backer as well, but I understand that this deck could be purchased by laypeople as well... That's why I suggest a blank-faced card instead. Cheers! |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Your inputs are ALWAYS welcome and can end up in extra gaffs.
The extra cards you would like to get like a double backer, blank card etc. will be available also, but not with the regular deck. It should be as innocent as possible.
Expert in playing card production for magicians.
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Rpascual Special user USA 667 Posts |
You should also send this out to murphys so it can be distributed to magic dealers also!
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
I will sell it to other dealers also if necessary. The problem is: I cannot tell you the discount Murphy usually gets from inventors and producers of effects. For not LOOSING money while selling the decks to Murphys I would have to raise the retail prices. And this is something I want to avoid.
If dealers get the decks directly from me, I can still keep the retail price. But I am not sure as there is not real money to earn with the decks. Best would be to make special deals with the Magic Circles around the globe so that you can order in groups. Would that be an idea?
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Am I the only one not diggin' this?
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Xpilot Elite user Florida 464 Posts |
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On 2009-09-03 19:24, Lawrence O wrote: Fox Lake cards looked normal 40-50 years ago. They were the same as Aviator cards, and Aviators were in widespread use outside of magic. Most Fox Lake gimmicks & decks were bridge size and factory printed Bicycle gimmicks were not made. When most of 'magicdom' started moving to poker size cards and Bicycle poker size gimmicks came on the market- that's what destroyed the distribution of Fox Lake. |
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
So with Fox Lake the old German saying is true:
If you don´t go with the time, you will go with the time.
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The Person Who Says It cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt The Person Doing It! Chinese Proverb |
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
I've worked with Card-Shark before and I know he tries to keep costs down. His products are very nice. His aged looking cards are second to none. These cards will be fun to work with.
Good magic to all, Eric |
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JIMclubber64 Loyal user 269 Posts |
I'm starting to become somewhat divided about this. The reason I do like the idea is because I've been accused of using a Svengali deck before simply because I had a Bicycle deck, and I don't want to have that happen again, plus I do like the idea
of built-in "secrets." But the reason I don't like it is because I want to get some packet tricks from my magic shop sometime relatively soon, but they rquire gaffed cards, and I don't want to have to buy a bicycle packet trick just to learn the secret, and then figure out how to modify it for a pheonix, and then finally place an order for the necessary gaffed cards. That ends up being a lot of time and money. Also, if Murphy's doesn't distibute these, then my magic shop probably won't carry it, either, and I always prefer to buy from them when possible.
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Mind_Magic Inner circle The Sunshine State USA 1252 Posts |
Nice Deck Card-Shark!
Have a question: Do you plan to build Lefty Decks? Regards! |
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Rpascual Special user USA 667 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 11:00, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: What do you mean by not diggin this? |
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wise owl Special user Australia 721 Posts |
Can see phoenix deck at your website?
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mayniac Special user 616 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 11:00, Michaelmystic2003 wrote: Nope, I'm with you. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
After taking a second look at these I too don't care for them. The phonix bird design just doesn't do it for me. To cartoonish maybe? Something more elegant would be nice.
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DJG Inner circle The northern hemisphere of Earth 1294 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 11:18, Card-Shark wrote: Isn't the correct saying: "If you don't go with the time, you will go WITH time"? Any free samples
Your choices in life can be compared to watching a magic trick: You can continue to believe the illusion in front of you, find the intrigue and desire to learn more, or quit paying attention the moment you feel deceived.
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Wilber New user 76 Posts |
Its unfortunate that local brick and mortar magic shops won't be able to stock these. I also think the big pip aces look very cartoonie.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Let's try to give some answers:
About the saying: perhaps you noticed already that english is not my mother language. Regarding that I always got a "D" grade in school I am doing hopefully fine with my writing. Thank you for correcting me, really. I produced the lefty deck before it was released on Bicycle stock, but more as a joke. I like the idea, but see my possibilities in other areas. If you need one printed, I can easily do that for you on Phoenix stock. About elegance. Taste is always personal, I am not saying that everyone has to like it. The same with the larger aces. Pro magicians liked them imediately when they saw the prototype, but you also get the old one if you do not share their opinion. The Bicycle deck isn't elegant at all and the angels are really looking strange and fat, but we are used to it. With all the changes at USPCC a lot of magicians open(ed) up their mind and see that there are other options and designs out there. About gaffs: Over the next few months and years you will see that there will also be more and more effects available with the Phoenix back. These will be cooperations with other magicians like Martin Lewis, Tommy Wonder (RIP), Trevor Lewis, David Solomon and others. Some effects will not even be able any longer on Bicycle cards due to the new USPCC politics. I am open to anybody who wants his effect being released on Phoenix stock. About dealers and the availability: I never said that dealers will not stock them. Just ask your local dealer and he will contact me as he can buy them directly from me with wholesale conditions. The tight price structure will make it difficult to give profit to three parties (dealer, Murphys and me), but it should be OK for two parties. Did I forget anyone? Hopefully not. Oh, preorders can be placed soon on my website. I am working on that.
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Christopher Rinaldi Veteran user 347 Posts |
I think this deck looks good and I look forward to making the transition to these cards, so many possibilities.
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
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On 2009-09-04 16:24, mayniac wrote: I'm three. I'd rather use cards that laymen are familiar with. The design doesn't appeal to me. There are many better looking cards out there in my opinion. I'm one who likes to collect cards, but I'm not interrested in even collecting this. It doesn't look like a lot of thought was put into the design, although I'm sure there was. Again, I'd rather stick to decks that people are familiar with. It eliminates any suspicion that the deck is gimmicked. Besides, you can pick up a Bike deck for under $2.00, and even cheaper in bulk. I just bought 10 packs of bikes for $8.97 at Wally Mart. However, I do wish all the best.
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
Yeah... Unless the price can compete with the bikes that I get (Which works out to be about $1.10 a deck) I don't think I'll be that interested either. I mean its not like they have stopped making Bikes altogether. They are just limiting a few of the gaffs that can be produced. And quite frankly I don't really use anything that I can't make anyway. (Except DB'ers and DF'ers which are not in jeopardy and easier to buy than make).
But you can be sure that I'll buy a few decks just to check them out and add one to my display case. I wish you all the best.
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